MPhillips Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 34 minutes ago, ionel said: Maybe throw in some tracking vs backtracking discussion. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Counter attack, reattack? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveira Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, BigRedFan said: He's already wrestled 125 this year (November). What are you talking about? What type of weight allowance do people get for duals this early in season ? edit : not being argumentative. Just curious. Edited December 9, 2022 by Caveira Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gimpeltf Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 17 minutes ago, Caveira said: What type of weight allowance do people get for duals this early in season ? edit : not being argumentative. Just curious. Uh, none Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 33 minutes ago, Caveira said: What type of weight allowance do people get for duals this early in season ? edit : not being argumentative. Just curious. Check SHP's weekly schedule pinned at the top. Sometimes there's a 1 lb allowance and all weigh in same time if one or more teams wrestle two dual meets in same day. Otherwise scratch & one hour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gimpeltf Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 1 hour ago, ionel said: Check SHP's weekly schedule pinned at the top. Sometimes there's a 1 lb allowance and all weigh in same time if one or more teams wrestle two dual meets in same day. Otherwise scratch & one hour. To my knowledge, the only time allowances are given in college is on the second or third days of a tournament including team advancement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRedFan Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 8 minutes ago, gimpeltf said: To my knowledge, the only time allowances are given in college is on the second or third days of a tournament including team advancement. Pretty sure that applies to dual meets as well, in which one of the teams had a dual meet the previous day/night. To wit: *-indicates event is eligible for a one-pound weight allowance Friday, December 9: Pittsburgh at Brown, 6:30 PM Saturday, December 10: *Michigan State at Brown, 6:30 PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gimpeltf Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 6 minutes ago, BigRedFan said: Pretty sure that applies to dual meets as well, in which one of the teams had a dual meet the previous day/night. To wit: *-indicates event is eligible for a one-pound weight allowance Friday, December 9: Pittsburgh at Brown, 6:30 PM Saturday, December 10: *Michigan State at Brown, 6:30 PM Back to back days of competition (they reworded in the most recent book), yes correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatWhiteNorth Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 Not a small thing... It is reassuring that even the very best of us make mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crotalus Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 Why do they give these additional weight allowances if they are truly concerned about the dangers of excessive cutting? As a competitor, it is certainly welcomed, but if these guys can't make the weight multiple days in a row, perhaps that's not the weight they should be wrestling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interviewed_at_Weehawken Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 20 minutes ago, Crotalus said: Why do they give these additional weight allowances if they are truly concerned about the dangers of excessive cutting? As a competitor, it is certainly welcomed, but if these guys can't make the weight multiple days in a row, perhaps that's not the weight they should be wrestling. The whole obvious manipulation of the certification system is awful. I am sure everyone does it, but it appears that some programs and individuals are more egregious offenders. Let us not forget WHY we put this system in place, and how much danger the sport was in as a result. (And this comes from the perspective of a major weight cutter) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveira Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 12 hours ago, ionel said: Check SHP's weekly schedule pinned at the top. Sometimes there's a 1 lb allowance and all weigh in same time if one or more teams wrestle two dual meets in same day. Otherwise scratch & one hour. Thanks. Did not realize they are essentially gone. It’s probably good for the sport. I don’t let my kid cut weight. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 10 minutes ago, Caveira said: Thanks. Did not realize they are essentially gone. It’s probably good for the sport. I don’t let my kid cut weight. I don't let myself cut weight. 2 3 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRedFan Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Crotalus said: Why do they give these additional weight allowances if they are truly concerned about the dangers of excessive cutting? As a competitor, it is certainly welcomed, but if these guys can't make the weight multiple days in a row, perhaps that's not the weight they should be wrestling. The idea is that if one team has to make weight on Friday and Saturday, and the other team only on Saturday, then allowing an extra pound on Saturday helps overcome the disadvantage of only one team having to make weight two days in a row. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 2 hours ago, Crotalus said: Why do they give these additional weight allowances if they are truly concerned about the dangers of excessive cutting? As a competitor, it is certainly welcomed, but if these guys can't make the weight multiple days in a row, perhaps that's not the weight they should be wrestling. 1 hour ago, BigRedFan said: The idea is that if one team has to make weight on Friday and Saturday, and the other team only on Saturday, then allowing an extra pound on Saturday helps overcome the disadvantage of only one team having to make weight two days in a row. A good example in when on the road and two dual meets in one day, recent example OSU v Lehigh @noon then Bucknell @7pm. It would be difficult to do the travel between Lehigh and Bucknell then make weight again 1 hour before. Instead just let all 3 teams weigh in same time before the Lehigh match with 1 pound allowance. This gives the advantage to Bucknell but OSU I'm sure doesn't mind that. Also when they've traveled to N Colorado then to Wyoming same day have done similar without the 1 pound allowance, everyone weighs in same time giving an advantage to Wyoming but that's part of the point of the trip makes for a tough two match day at altitude, second match higher altitude with home team advantage on weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 So Minnow did a Minnow thing again? Expecting otherwise is like expecting anything other than three points of output out if Will Lewan. Very poor batting average, that one. 1 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingcement Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 Just now, nhs67 said: So Minnow did a Minnow thing again? Expecting otherwise is like expecting anything other than three points of output out if Will Lewan. Very poor batting average, that one. The Mendoza line to be renamed Mineo line? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interviewed_at_Weehawken Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 Just now, nhs67 said: So Minnow did a Minnow thing again? Expecting otherwise is like expecting anything other than three points of output out if Will Lewan. Very poor batting average, that one. Lewan scores exactly three points in about 60% of his matches. This leaves approximately 40% of matches where he would score more or less than three. I would argue that a .400 batting average is anything but poor! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 1 minute ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said: Lewan scores exactly three points in about 60% of his matches. This leaves approximately 40% of matches where he would score more or less than three. I would argue that a .400 batting average is anything but poor! In baseball, maybe. In real life where truth should matter? Not so much. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 4 minutes ago, flyingcement said: The Mendoza line to be renamed Minnow line? FIFY. Also, yes. 1 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ban Basketball Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 2 hours ago, Caveira said: Thanks. Did not realize they are essentially gone. It’s probably good for the sport. I don’t let my kid cut weight. My Mom would let any of us do it either. Of course, we could oull it off a little, but VERY little. I had an easy natural cut for my weight class anyway. Owner of over two decades of the most dangerous words on the internet! In fact, during the short life of this forum, me's culture has been cancelled three times on this very site! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 1 minute ago, nhs67 said: In baseball, maybe. In real life where truth should matter? Not so much. Minnow is building his resume to become WH press secretary. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interviewed_at_Weehawken Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 1 minute ago, nhs67 said: In baseball, maybe. In real life where truth should matter? Not so much. Minnow is always right! He may make conflicting statements, but one of the statements has a chance of being correct. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interviewed_at_Weehawken Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 5 minutes ago, ionel said: Minnow is building his resume to become WH press secretary. Does he have a binder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 3 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said: Does he have a binder? let me circle back on that 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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