The_KC_Godfather Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 Just watched the JB: VI Flo Film. Kinda pissed that that Flo ambushed JB at the beginning by not telling him (giving him time to prepare) that they were planning to bring Dake on to the podcast. Love Dake, and love JB, but that was really sh*tty of Flo to not give JB a heads up. Is this typical of Flo? Legit question, as I have subscribed to them for many years to watch films and live wrestling, but have not watched any FRL. Of course I read the feedback here about Pyles and others, but never watched any of their opinion podcasts. Is there an opportunity for someone to replace them in interviews, opinion pieces, etc., and still provide the wrestling community with access to these athletes and their feedback without blindsiding them and treating them with respect? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VakAttack Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 From what we know publicly, that was an Askren special with the help of a producer. Pyles allegedly knew nothing about it, which I believe based on his reaction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingcement Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 4 minutes ago, VakAttack said: From what we know publicly, that was an Askren special with the help of a producer. Pyles allegedly knew nothing about it, which I believe based on his reaction. Askren tried to explain his rationale in that 1000th episode. It didn't make sense to me because it wasn't consistent. Shame Pyle couldn't put a stop to it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrestle87 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 5 minutes ago, The_KC_Godfather said: Just watched the JB: VI Flo Film. Kinda pissed that that Flo ambushed JB at the beginning by not telling him (giving him time to prepare) that they were planning to bring Dake on to the podcast. Love Dake, and love JB, but that was really sh*tty of Flo to not give JB a heads up. Is this typical of Flo? Legit question, as I have subscribed to them for many years to watch films and live wrestling, but have not watched any FRL. Of course I read the feedback here about Pyles and others, but never watched any of their opinion podcasts. Is there an opportunity for someone to replace them in interviews, opinion pieces, etc., and still provide the wrestling community with access to these athletes and their feedback without blindsiding them and treating them with respect? I’m pretty sure back whenever this was, they were both working on some “brand building” shall we say. JB did a good job looking offended and acting outraged, but they both new what was up, they were drawing eyeballs for their match. But to answer your question, yes that is exactly what Flo does every chance they have an opportunity. It is exactly the reason for the amount of derision they get on here from everyone. Is a flo stream guaranteed to work? Not at all. Is it guaranteed to have gossipy inflammatory commentary about who said what when rather than about actual wrestling? 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammerlock3 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 As someone who has bashed Flo a lot, the dake ambush is one of the better things they've ever done, mostly because ot required a measure of boldness. 1 1 "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_KC_Godfather Posted February 21 Author Share Posted February 21 22 minutes ago, VakAttack said: From what we know publicly, that was an Askren special with the help of a producer. Pyles allegedly knew nothing about it, which I believe based on his reaction. Wow. Askren seemed to try to shut it down quick, although that could have been a ploy. To be honest, I didn't look at Pyles' face when Dake showed up...only listened. Likely need to watch it again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_KC_Godfather Posted February 21 Author Share Posted February 21 19 minutes ago, wrestle87 said: I’m pretty sure back whenever this was, they were both working on some “brand building” shall we say. JB did a good job looking offended and acting outraged, but they both new what was up, they were drawing eyeballs for their match. But to answer your question, yes that is exactly what Flo does every chance they have an opportunity. It is exactly the reason for the amount of derision they get on here from everyone. Is a flo stream guaranteed to work? Not at all. Is it guaranteed to have gossipy inflammatory commentary about who said what when rather than about actual wrestling? 100%. The only reason I thought it was legit was because JB had his kid with him on camera, which, I would assume if you're playing into something/acting, you wouldn't do. I may be wrong on that, though. Problem with Flo is that they have built up the relationships to get the media rights. I wonder if there is a market for the "opinion" and podcast part outside of Flo. Pyles is clearly lacking in that area, and from what I've seen, the other guys that contribute (besides legit wrestlers like Askren) are worthless. I could be wrong, though... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 4 hours ago, flyingcement said: Askren tried to explain his rationale in that 1000th episode. It didn't make sense to me because it wasn't consistent. Shame Pyle couldn't put a stop to it Yeah and on the 1000th episode Pyle also reiterated how mad he was at Askren for doing that. I’m confident Pyle was not in on it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rassling Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 5 hours ago, The_KC_Godfather said: The only reason I thought it was legit was because JB had his kid with him on camera, which, I would assume if you're playing into something/acting, you wouldn't do. I may be wrong on that, though. Problem with Flo is that they have built up the relationships to get the media rights. I wonder if there is a market for the "opinion" and podcast part outside of Flo. Pyles is clearly lacking in that area, and from what I've seen, the other guys that contribute (besides legit wrestlers like Askren) are worthless. I could be wrong, though... one of the things I'll never forget nor forgive is the PIAA here in Pennsylvania selling the televised rights (which were free to the local public) to the AA & AAA state wrestling championships. Our old timers enjoyed watching these events for FREE for decades on PCN and now its gone. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JVStateChamp Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 1 hour ago, Rassling said: one of the things I'll never forget nor forgive is the PIAA here in Pennsylvania selling the televised rights (which were free to the local public) to the AA & AAA state wrestling championships. Our old timers enjoyed watching these events for FREE for decades on PCN and now its gone. Good or bad depending on how you look at it, Flo now streams every match wrestled at the PIAA championships including state duals. This has shown to have impacted the attendance numbers for the tournament itself. Still, I would put a good amount of money into that the overall viewership is much higher than it was when PCN only showed the finals and was only available to Pennsylvania natives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elevator Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 6 minutes ago, JVStateChamp said: Good or bad depending on how you look at it, Flo now streams every match wrestled at the PIAA championships including state duals. This has shown to have impacted the attendance numbers for the tournament itself. Still, I would put a good amount of money into that the overall viewership is much higher than it was when PCN only showed the finals and was only available to Pennsylvania natives. this is a good point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkemaz Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 41 minutes ago, JVStateChamp said: Good or bad depending on how you look at it, Flo now streams every match wrestled at the PIAA championships including state duals. This has shown to have impacted the attendance numbers for the tournament itself. Still, I would put a good amount of money into that the overall viewership is much higher than it was when PCN only showed the finals and was only available to Pennsylvania natives. It's almost like flo could have still let them have it free locally then right? But they didnt. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 People want to demonize Flo for purchasing the broadcast rights to PIAA, but they can only buy what the PIAA was willing to sell. 2 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 2 hours ago, Rassling said: one of the things I'll never forget nor forgive is the PIAA here in Pennsylvania selling the televised rights (which were free to the local public) to the AA & AAA state wrestling championships. Our old timers enjoyed watching these events for FREE for decades on PCN and now its gone. Was it free or only free if you had cable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JVStateChamp Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 56 minutes ago, forkemaz said: It's almost like flo could have still let them have it free locally then right? But they didnt. Flo is a business, if PCN wanted to maintain the streaming rights they could have purchased them instead of Flo. PCN did the bare minimum to show just the state finals. PCN also is only free with a cable provider, if not then a viewer could sign up for a PCN Select subscription. Paying for a Flo membership for Grandparents, Family, or friends is a heck of a lot easier and cheaper than going to Hershey paying for food, tickets, and hotels. Love it or hate it, Flo provides the ability for people from all over the country to stream any match they choose to watch, PCN only streamed the championship finals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rassling Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 1 hour ago, JVStateChamp said: Good or bad depending on how you look at it, Flo now streams every match wrestled at the PIAA championships including state duals. This has shown to have impacted the attendance numbers for the tournament itself. Still, I would put a good amount of money into that the overall viewership is much higher than it was when PCN only showed the finals and was only available to Pennsylvania natives. I do not care what Flo does with it. It was taken from our seniors who are family to these superstars and many do not have a computer and why the hell should they pay for it when it was for free. Sorry but I am one who is not all about money like some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rassling Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 1 hour ago, forkemaz said: It's almost like flo could have still let them have it free locally then right? But they didnt. exactly and thats one of the main reasons why I left them and will not be returning. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rassling Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 24 minutes ago, 1032004 said: Was it free or only free if you had cable? free via PCN - weather it got picked up through an outside antenna I do not know but I get channel 186 PCN through comcast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 11 minutes ago, Rassling said: free via PCN - weather it got picked up through an outside antenna I do not know but I get channel 186 PCN through comcast. So it’s not free for you 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 16 minutes ago, Rassling said: I do not care what Flo does with it. It was taken from our seniors who are family to these superstars and many do not have a computer and why the hell should they pay for it when it was for free. Sorry but I am one who is not all about money like some. Your complaint is with PIAA, not Flo. PIAA sold the rights. They did not have to, they chose to. 2 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JVStateChamp Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 20 minutes ago, Rassling said: I do not care what Flo does with it. It was taken from our seniors who are family to these superstars and many do not have a computer and why the hell should they pay for it when it was for free. Sorry but I am one who is not all about money like some. If you are a grandparent of someone that is in the 3rd/4th match, or 5th/6th match you're all out of luck because PCN will not show any of their matches. PCN did a disservice to the amount of talent and depth that the PIAA championships have by only showing the finals. Going back in time before states seeded the top four district champions, PCN would miss matches like Sasso/Pletcher or Kemmerer/Hidlay which happened in the quarters. So seniors were missing a lot of superstars because PCN did not provide proper coverage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkemaz Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 2 hours ago, JVStateChamp said: Flo is a business, if PCN wanted to maintain the streaming rights they could have purchased them instead of Flo. PCN did the bare minimum to show just the state finals. PCN also is only free with a cable provider, if not then a viewer could sign up for a PCN Select subscription. Paying for a Flo membership for Grandparents, Family, or friends is a heck of a lot easier and cheaper than going to Hershey paying for food, tickets, and hotels. Love it or hate it, Flo provides the ability for people from all over the country to stream any match they choose to watch, PCN only streamed the championship finals. Like you said they expanded the market right? They didn't make enough? They preach all this grow wrestling and they don't share or play nice. They sued a former employee and tried to ruin his lively hood they're trashy business people, not good faith wrestling folks. And that's fine but let's ALL stop pretending. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkemaz Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 2 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said: Your complaint is with PIAA, not Flo. PIAA sold the rights. They did not have to, they chose to. And Flo chooses not to share. It's all relative. They do not have to. But if it was on free TV and they pulled it off that's not a good look. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rassling Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 2 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said: Your complaint is with PIAA, not Flo. PIAA sold the rights. They did not have to, they chose to. Absolutely which is why I drove to their headquarters to ask why this happened. As it relates to this issue, I could care less what any of you have to say. This upset our seniors and they don’t give a crap about this round and that round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rassling Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 2 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said: Your complaint is with PIAA, not Flo. PIAA sold the rights. They did not have to, they chose to. My complaint is in general and I’ll leave it up to you number crunchers to figure out the rest. I’m with the seniors regardless who made the decision and why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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