BIGTENFANBOY Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 1 hour ago, ionel said: pron would've taken 30 sec or more to get escape Maybe, but he definitely wasnt scoring 2 tds in a min. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 Just now, BIGTENFANBOY said: Maybe, but he definitely wasnt scoring 2 tds in a min. If he could score 1 in 30s he should be able to score 2 in 60s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VakAttack Posted February 19 Author Share Posted February 19 Meant to come back to this, because people were critiquing Arnold for only winning 8-6 against Liegel. 1. He's a true freshman 2. He's wrestling up a weight. 3. It's his second ranked win at 184 despite, again, not being a 184 lber. 4. It was only close because he was trying to get to a major. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interviewed_at_Weehawken Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 4 hours ago, JuanMogen said: Gabe with the Iranian gas tank. He'll need to get a few Iowa style injuries under his belt on his way to cleaning up that cardio. Robbie Howard and Shayne Van Ness have entered the chat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 38 minutes ago, VakAttack said: Meant to come back to this, because people were critiquing Arnold for only winning 8-6 against Liegel. 1. He's a true freshman 2. He's wrestling up a weight. 3. It's his second ranked win at 184 despite, again, not being a 184 lber. 4. It was only close because he was trying to get to a major. This is something I've observed from the 3pt td that don't think we were expecting. It looks like its going to be easy to get the major, wrestler pushes for it gives up 3 instead of getting 3 now in danger of losing. Olejnik had similar today was at 7-0 with ~2 in riding time mid 2nd, coaches thinking tf have him cut doesn't get td so 7-1 start 3rd cuts again ends up no take down 8-2 loses the major going for the tech. He could've easily road the kid entire 3rd to hold the major. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveira Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 6 hours ago, buckshot said: What an accomplishment! They ducked at 125, beat unranked guys at 133 and 141 and then cried themselves to a victory at 149. Iowa wrestling is teaching today's youth to avoid tough matchups and then cheat to win if you're in trouble. It's no wonder they're dropping in the rankings and getting out-recruited. Psu barely wrestles a schedule. Constantly on the fringe of barely making rpi. When they duck people it’s Cale’s magic or prepping for an Olympic cycle. It’s purely hypocritical on the blue colored glasses fans. How many mid season duckers from psu wrestled at senior national als in December. Remember when beard needed to see what wrestling at psu was like so Carl gifted him an easy win. if Ayala was sick. Good for him. If he wasn’t. It was a duck. See how hard that is. I’m an Iowa fan and can admit maybe it was a duck. Fun state fans can’t. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGTENFANBOY Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 1 hour ago, ionel said: If he could score 1 in 30s he should be able to score 2 in 60s. Its a moot point now since he lost, but i whole heartly disagree with the strategy of getting 2 takedowns being easier than 1 escape and a td in that specific scenario. Basically what youre saying is in your opinion Boni gave the right coaching strategy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VakAttack Posted February 19 Author Share Posted February 19 38 minutes ago, ionel said: This is something I've observed from the 3pt td that don't think we were expecting. It looks like its going to be easy to get the major, wrestler pushes for it gives up 3 instead of getting 3 now in danger of losing. Olejnik had similar today was at 7-0 with ~2 in riding time mid 2nd, coaches thinking tf have him cut doesn't get td so 7-1 start 3rd cuts again ends up no take down 8-2 loses the major going for the tech. He could've easily road the kid entire 3rd to hold the major. I agree. I'm fine with this outcome, since it encourages action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 1 minute ago, VakAttack said: I agree. I'm fine with this outcome, since it encourages action. Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 (edited) 30 minutes ago, BIGTENFANBOY said: Its a moot point now since he lost, but i whole heartly disagree with the strategy of getting 2 takedowns being easier than 1 escape and a td in that specific scenario. Basically what youre saying is in your opinion Boni gave the right coaching strategy. There's more math in play. Your opponent evidently hurt his knee and may have trouble defending on his feet. If you let him take top he can just go into a claw ride not use his knee and take 30/40 seconds off the clock leaving very little time to get a takedown and prob no chance of a stall call (one at most if backing up at end). Go on feet have more than twice as much time to get takedowns also time to get 2 stall calls if only defending, favoring that leg and backing up. Might even get lucky with feet to back. If you moneyball this with all the probabilities of stall call, td, time etc you chose neutral. Do I think Bono went thru all the math - no, but he made the right call by luck or intuition. Edited February 19 by ionel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGTENFANBOY Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 (edited) 11 minutes ago, ionel said: There's more math in play. Your opponent evidently hurt his knee and may have trouble defending on his feet. If you let him take top he can just go into a claw ride not use his knee and take 30/40 seconds off the clock leaving very little time to get a takedown and prob no chance of a stall call (one at most if backing up at end). Go on feet have more than twice as much time to get takedowns also time to get 2 stall calls if only defending, favoring that leg and backing up. Might even get lucky with feet to back. If you moneyball this with all the probabilities of stall call, td, time etc you chose neutral. Do I think Bono went thru all the math - no, but he made the right call by luck or intuition. But he clearly DIDNT make the right call because Zargo ended up losing. I honestly think Bono was too busy screaming and fighting with the ref he lost his focus and made the wrong call, you think he made the right one and Zargo almost ended up getting majored because of it. Edited February 19 by BIGTENFANBOY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 4 minutes ago, BIGTENFANBOY said: But he clearly DIDNT make the right call because Zargo ended up losing. I honestly think Bono was too busy screaming and fighting with the ref he lost his focus and made the wrong call, you think he made the right one and Zargo almost ended up getting majored because of it. No evidence Zargo wins with the other call and the math says less likely. The screaming Bono doesn't affect the math. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGTENFANBOY Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 (edited) 15 minutes ago, ionel said: No evidence Zargo wins with the other call and the math says less likely. The screaming Bono doesn't affect the math. Do you have spreadsheets to support this "math"? In my experience, it is more difficult to get 2 takedowns in 1 minute than it is to get an escape and a takedown. The other variables you mentioned like stallings and mistakes can all happen in both scenarios. Edited February 19 by BIGTENFANBOY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingcement Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 (edited) 18 minutes ago, ionel said: No evidence Zargo wins with the other call and the math says less likely. The screaming Bono doesn't affect the math. Edited February 19 by flyingcement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 14 minutes ago, BIGTENFANBOY said: Do you have spreadsheets to support this "math"? In my experience, it is more difficult to get 2 takedowns in 1 minute than it is to get an escape and a takedown. The other variables you mentioned like stallings and mistakes can all happen in both scenarios. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 7 hours ago, VakAttack said: Or he's sick. That is a reasonable explanation. I know we're supposed to always believe the worst, but it's not the only expectation. You must be new around here. Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGTENFANBOY Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 14 minutes ago, ionel said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 8 hours ago, Rassling said: 125 was clearly a duck, so far. 8 hours ago, VakAttack said: Or he's sick. That is a reasonable explanation. I know we're supposed to always believe the worst, but it's not the only expectation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 1 hour ago, flyingcement said: fly letting his daughter pick the colors again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 32 minutes ago, BIGTENFANBOY said: something like that^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 FRL mentioned Cassioppi and Assad participated in senior day activities but Brands did not. Maybe he’s back next year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 When Rathjen got the second takedown, was Bono still yelling about the earlier call or was he mad about something else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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