RandolphTJones Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 The #1 high school wrestling tournament begins this Friday. According to Josh Lowe's rankings, 6 of the top 10 high school teams will be there amongst several others in the top 50. Any particular matchups you are hoping to see? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H82Lose Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 7 hours ago, RandolphTJones said: The #1 high school wrestling tournament begins this Friday. According to Josh Lowe's rankings, 6 of the top 10 high school teams will be there amongst several others in the top 50. Any particular matchups you are hoping to see? Stilwater, Edmond North and Bixby will be coming from Oklahoma. Stillwater is LOADED with talent. 113 Beric Jordan, 120 Sam Smith, 138 Cael Hughes (maybe 132) JJ Mcomas 126 or 132, Dee Lockett, Voinavhich, AJ Heeg, there will be some hammers. EN will have Routledge, Schneider, Hollingsworth Bixby- Giddens, Jersey Robb All 3 teams are ranked, I think Stilly is #3? They are loaded, if Ferrari was there they would push for top team in the country imo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPhillips Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 Half of the top 50 are scheduled to be at Ironman. No. 1 Blair Academy (N.J.) No. 2 Wyoming Seminary (Pa.) No. 3 Stillwater (Okla.) No. 5 St. Edward (Ohio) No. 6 Crown Point (Ind.) No. 8 Malvern Prep (Pa.) No. 12 Edmond North (Okla.) No. 13 Lake Highland Prep (Fla.) No. 15 Brecksville (Ohio) No. 16 Perrysburg (Ohio) No. 17 Bixby (Okla.) No. 18 Bethlehem Catholic (Pa.) No. 19 Marmion Academy (Ill.) No. 22 Liberty (Mo.) No. 23 Chicago (Ill.) Mt. Carmel No. 27 Wadsworth (Ohio) No. 28 Minisink Valley (N.Y.) No. 30 Brownsburg (Ind.) No. 32 St. Charles East (Ill.) No. 36 Marist (Ill.) No. 37 Waynesburg (Pa.) No. 41 Pomona (Colo.) No. 43 Massillon Perry (Ohio) No. 44 Ponderosa (Colo.) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formally140 Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 I’m curious how how the out of state teams will adjust to the different weights Ohio is using with 13/12? Weights. I was told making sure descent plans wouldn’t be jacked up by going to the different weights was a whole saga Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jax Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 I think overall Ironman is the best, especially for the upper weights. For the lower weights, I think Doc B is a bit tougher. You often see kids win Ironman or Beast of the East then come to Doc B and get worked. And Doc B not having the Prep schools since Covid hurts it. It's also hard for West Coast kids to come East. Weigh-ins are at 4:00 am PST for those kids and they're wrestling at 5:00 am their time. IMO... In Season Tournaments in order of toughness: 1) Ironman. 2) Doc B. 3) Beast of the East OR Reno TOC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H82Lose Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 14 hours ago, Jax said: I think overall Ironman is the best, especially for the upper weights. For the lower weights, I think Doc B is a bit tougher. You often see kids win Ironman or Beast of the East then come to Doc B and get worked. And Doc B not having the Prep schools since Covid hurts it. It's also hard for West Coast kids to come East. Weigh-ins are at 4:00 am PST for those kids and they're wrestling at 5:00 am their time. IMO... In Season Tournaments in order of toughness: 1) Ironman. 2) Doc B. 3) Beast of the East OR Reno TOC In season, I agree. Overall toss up Super 32 or Iron Man. Super 32 may get the nod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H82Lose Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 predictions? I will go with this, first responses get the bet. I will go $20 Ferrari wins his bracket. I will go $20 dollars Beric Jordan does not make the finals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadMardigain Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 6 hours ago, H82Lose said: In season, I agree. Overall toss up Super 32 or Iron Man. Super 32 may get the nod. I think that’s really comparing apples and oranges on that one. Ironman will be is hampered in the matchup due to the tournament inviting full teams and somewhat limited weight spots. Where as Ironman is open to all individuals and will make added space at the weight classes it want if additional studs sign up to attend. Even with crazy good teams Ironman is still limited in overall talent when the entire tram comes along and there are only so many spots to fill. If anything I think that makes the talent they have been able to pull in even more impressive. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadMardigain Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, H82Lose said: predictions? I will go $20 dollars Beric Jordan does not make the finals. I’ve always been impressed with Raney, so I’d be good with your assumption. Edited December 9, 2022 by MadMardigain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creek chub Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 Is there a link to the brackets for live results? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPhillips Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 (edited) 18 minutes ago, creek chub said: Is there a link to the brackets for live results? https://www.trackwrestling.com/predefinedtournaments/MainFrame.jsp?newSession=false&TIM=1670624751696&pageName=%2Fpredefinedtournaments%2FBracketViewer.jsp&twSessionId=bjqxwfogyt Edited December 9, 2022 by MPhillips 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spladle08 Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 Glad to see Stilly doing well, great tournament Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPhillips Posted December 10, 2022 Share Posted December 10, 2022 Semi Final Round 106: #5-Tyler Dekraker, Blair NJ vs. Ethan Timar, St. Edward OH 106: #14-Ayden Smith, Notre Dame PA vs. #6-Dom Munaretto, St. Charles E. IL 113: #1-Bo Bassett, Bishop McCort PA vs. #9-Anthony Mutarelli, Malvern PA 113: #3-Beric Jordan, Stillwater OK vs. #8-Nate Desmond, BECA PA 120: #3-Jax Forrest, Bishop McCort PA vs. #8-Kael Lauridsen, Bennington NE 120: #1-Luke Lilledahl, Wy Sem PA vs #16-Leo DeLuca, Blair NJ 126: #2-Ben Davino, St. Charles E. IL vs. #11-Max Gallagher, Bayport Blue Point NY 126: #3-Mason Gibson, Bishop McCort vs. #5-Marc-Anthony McGowan, Blair 132: #1-Sergio Lemley, Mt. Carmel IN vs #5-Zan Fugitt, Nixa 132: #6-Vincent Robinson, Flossmoor IL vs. #4-Cael Hughes, Stillwater OK 138: #1-Nasir Bailey, Rich Twsp. IL vs. Brandon Cannon, Ponderosa CO 138: #8-Kollin Rath, BECA vs. #2-Kannon Webster, Washington IL 144: #6-Mac Church, Waynesburg PA vs #14-Kael Voinovich, Stillwater, O 144: #11-Sam Cartella, Western Reserve vs. Ty Wilson, Dublin Scioto OH 150: #2-LaDarion Lockett, Stillwater vs. #8-Will Henckel, Blair NJ 150: #4-Weston Dalton, Pueblo E. CO vs. #1-PJ Duke, Minisink Valley NY 157: #3-Joe Sealey, Wy Sem PA vs Ethan Birden, Dublin Coffman OH 157: Anthony Rhinehart, Crown Point vs. #6-Ethan Stiles, Conant IL 165: #1-Angelo Ferrari, Melissa TX vs #15-Holden Garcia, Notre Dame PA 165: #5-Daschle Lamer, Crescent Valley vs. #3-Lorenzo Norman, Blair NJ 175: #1-Rocco Welsh, Waynesburg PA vs. #8-(170)-Tyler Eise, Ponderosa 175: #14-Jarrell Miller, St. Edward OH vs. #19-Omaury Alvarez, Baylor TN 190: #1-Brayden Thompson, Lockport IL vs. #7-AJ Heeg, Stillwater OK 190: #8-Camden McDanel, Teays Valley OH vs. #6-Rune Lawrence, Frazier PA 215: #7-Jersey Robb, Bixby OK vs. #18-Cash Henderson, Woods Cross 215: #10-Dylan Russo, Olentangy Liberty OH vs. #8-Max Shulaw, St. Francis Desales OH 285: #6-Dillan Johnson, Joliet Catholic, IL vs. #12-Carter Neves, Blair 285: #10-Matthew Moore, Mesa Ridge vs. #7-Parker Ferrell, Christiansburg MatScouts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H82Lose Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 I completely whiffed on my predictions. Anyone see the caution point in the Lockett match? How do you make that call? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le duke Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 I completely whiffed on my predictions. Anyone see the caution point in the Lockett match? How do you make that call?That’s one of those calls you just don’t have to make. You tell the kid to scoot forward and they actually wrestle to decide the match. Problem solved. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJB Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 it was 1-1 in OT and lockett already had 3 cautions and a stall call on him... if he had been interested in wrestling he would have not have been in that situation to begin with... i don't think i have ever seen 4 cautions in a match... that is squarely on coaching... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobDole Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 19 hours ago, Le duke said: That’s one of those calls you just don’t have to make. You tell the kid to scoot forward and they actually wrestle to decide the match. Problem solved. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Let's play devil's advocate for a minute. You're in the opposite corner and you see the ref point down to move up, do you jump out of your chair and say something? I would tend to think most coaches would, especially in a tight match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandolphTJones Posted December 12, 2022 Author Share Posted December 12, 2022 I place the blame on Lockett's coaches. Also, was Lockett doing this one purpose to maybe one-up the ref? I'd think after several cautions he would just follow the refs rules whether he liked it or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAC Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 Lots of high-profile losses based on questionable officiating. One is Lockett's. You never like to see a kid lose 2-1 where all the other kid's points came from cautions for petty technical violations (toe not touching the line). I'd have to rewatch it to see how legit/illegit the calls were, but tough to watch either way. Blaze's loss to DeLuca was based on a fleeing that mat call induced by DeLuca doing a throw-by on the edge of the mat. Insane call. Plainly wrong. Glad to see Blaze get revenge in consies. Bailey's loss might get the prize though. Takes the kid down in OT and puts a leg in, and is riding a bit high -- and ref doesn't call the TD, instead lets them wrestler for another 6-7 seconds until the other kid gets the reversal, which the ref THEN calls as a TD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJB Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 i would not argue the call in cannon vs nasir in OT being questionable at best... but... no less egregious than the non escape call in the 2nd that led to a couple of backs that should have never happened... point being... whining about bad calls is long term counter productive... and whining about correct calls just because they went against the color of singlet you like is even less so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formally140 Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 On 12/11/2022 at 11:17 AM, LJB said: it was 1-1 in OT and lockett already had 3 cautions and a stall call on him... if he had been interested in wrestling he would have not have been in that situation to begin with... i don't think i have ever seen 4 cautions in a match... that is squarely on coaching... I was going to say that you probably see it in the beginner stuff.. but then I realized.. most beginners usually DQ themselves/penalty themselves on locked hands or full Nelson’s. Long before they get to 4 cautions. yeah 4 cautions is on the coach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holtfan Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 How does a #1 ranked kid not know how to start, and end up with four false starts in one match? You see that with first year wrestlers---but seasoned ones. Don't fault the official for the last call---like someone stated, if you are in the opposite corner and you see the official point to move up, you likely come unglued questioning the official---and rightly so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RYou Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 Given the quality of the talent for the event, the seeders did a pretty accurate job sorting out the top tier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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