1032004 Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 3 minutes ago, PSULou64 said: I didn't really think Kasak would qualify? He may be higher ranked but it's not like he's heavily favored or a seasoned veteran. Heck he may not even be the starter according to Cael. Just now, Hammerlock3 said: IMHO for him to get carvered he's have to get majored or something. Him losing a one TD match doesn't qualify. Yeah I don’t hate this take. Although to be fair Mark Hall vs Alex Meyer was Hall’s first ever college dual. I know not the same situation but if that’s a clear carvering then I think there’s an argument for Kasak to be an option Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammerlock3 Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 (edited) 5 minutes ago, 1032004 said: Yeah I don’t hate this take. Although to be fair Mark Hall vs Alex Meyer was Hall’s first ever college dual. I know not the same situation but if that’s a clear carvering then I think there’s an argument for Kasak to be an option i don't think that counts as a carvering.....meyer was a returning AA, and Hall was a pretty boring wrestler his whole college career. Edited February 9 by Hammerlock3 "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 4 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said: i don't think that counts as a carvering.....meyer was a returning AA, and Hall was a pretty boring wrestler his whole college career. I didn’t realize Rathjen was ranked so high. Flo has Kasak/Rathjen at 12/15 and Intermat has them at 10/12. I think you’re right that it’s not a carvering unless he gets majored or something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammerlock3 Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 7 minutes ago, 1032004 said: I didn’t realize Rathjen was ranked so high. Flo has Kasak/Rathjen at 12/15 and Intermat has them at 10/12. I think you’re right that it’s not a carvering unless he gets majored or something or is up 4-1 with 90 seconds left and gives up 2 stalls and a TD for the loss....just trying to work out my definition... "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortaJohn Posted February 9 Author Share Posted February 9 (edited) 2 hours ago, Hammerlock3 said: i don't want to be difficult, the conclusion of this paragraph contradicts the introduction. If you want to say its 50 different things fine, i wouldn't because it explains away the meaning of the expression, but you can't say its any number of things and then its a bunch of things which are perfectly balanced. Well, I'm not trying to get too metaphorical with this but there are many different ways to make a great stew with different ingredients. A great stew doesn't always require carrots or potatoes Edited February 9 by PortaJohn I Don't Agree With What I Posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSULou64 Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 49 minutes ago, PortaJohn said: Well, I'm not trying to get too metaphorical with this but there are many different ways to make a great stew with different ingredients. A great stew doesn't always require carrots or potatoes I would say a great stew has to have at least carrots or potatoes. Having neither is just meat sitting in gravy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jchapman Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 Did Brooks get Carvered (or reverse-Carvered)? Big time swagger in front of loud home crowd, razor close dual meet, gets a little too confident on his shot and gets pinned in a junior high move. Craig Henning got screwed in the 2007 NCAA Finals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogbone Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 11 hours ago, PSULou64 said: I would say a great stew has to have at least carrots or potatoes. Having neither is just meat sitting in gravy. Meat in gravy... You have my attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interviewed_at_Weehawken Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 18 hours ago, VakAttack said: I agree that not every "lower ranked guy beats higher ranked guy" is a Carvering. Carvering will not be if Franek beats Haines, it will be if like Glazier beats Brooks. If Franek majors Haines and Haines falls apart in the third? Would that be a Carvering? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortaJohn Posted February 9 Author Share Posted February 9 13 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said: If Franek majors Haines and Haines falls apart in the third? Would that be a Carvering? Absolutely I Don't Agree With What I Posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortaJohn Posted February 9 Author Share Posted February 9 1 hour ago, jchapman said: Did Brooks get Carvered (or reverse-Carvered)? Big time swagger in front of loud home crowd, razor close dual meet, gets a little too confident on his shot and gets pinned in a junior high move. Nah, he was a heavy underdog but to Sammy's credit he left college wrestling with some of it's most iconic moments I Don't Agree With What I Posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VakAttack Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 22 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said: If Franek majors Haines and Haines falls apart in the third? Would that be a Carvering? Yes! Context matters, so that's a fair point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jchapman Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 1 hour ago, PortaJohn said: Nah, he was a heavy underdog but to Sammy's credit he left college wrestling with some of it's most iconic moments Ok, how about RBY making Desanto tap out? Reverse Carvered? Craig Henning got screwed in the 2007 NCAA Finals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strange_daze Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 I think a key element of 'Carvering' involves chaos and usually disorientation of some sort. It is often a 'mismatch' between two competitors (e.g., Schwabby and Guerrero), but necessary to the situation, I think, is a moment where something goes haywire: e.g., a wrestler bonks out in the third; a ref calls stalling or intervenes in the match in some other way; the score or riding time clock is incorrect; etc. The crowd plays a necessary and critical role in these moments: by getting really loud and making it difficult for said wrestlers and refs and staff to orient to the match and do what they came to do. I think the example of Sammy Brooks and Bo Nickal is actually a good example of the lesser known phenomenon of 'anti-Carvering': a talented and cool-headed star is unrattled by the environment and masters the chaos through his own unconventional technique. One can compare this, too, to 'near-Carvering': for instance when Brandon Sorensen almost got one on Zain. I should probably go back to work. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortaJohn Posted February 9 Author Share Posted February 9 6 minutes ago, jchapman said: Ok, how about RBY making Desanto tap out? Reverse Carvered? That's a good one 1 I Don't Agree With What I Posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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