AgaveMaria Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 Yes, it is about time to add a weight class and up the poundage for heavies. Add 225 and up the top guys to 300 or 320. We no longer have a 115 pound class. People are getting bigger and heavier. NFL and other pro sports have many big guys who are too heavy to wrestle because of the 285 limit. Many of them are not lardbutts, but athletes who carry the weight and have no problems with being fat. No to going back to Unlimited at the top. Making adjustments is only rational now as we are seeing more and more top grade athletes with the frame and flexibility formerly associated with smaller competitors. Yes, it would add one more weight class. That would help eliminate ties in match wins in duals. It would be more realistic in addressing the big wrestlers needs for a weight class that fits todays athletes. USA Wrestling could go along and start lobbying International bodies to follow suit. We see other countries who have to cut larger wrestlers as they have trouble getting down to the 276 pound limit. Bigger, faster, stronger - it is reality today. Why not make it reality on the mat? 2 ” Never attribute to inspiration that which can be adequately explained by delusion”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 2 minutes ago, AgaveMaria said: Bigger, fatter, slower - it is reality today. Why not make it reality on the mat? ftfy Thats the way America is going, does our sport have to follow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 They should align more appropriately with the MFS and MGR weights, which both put a weight class at ~213lbs. That will eliminate another weight, though. 1 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scouts Honor Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 bigger, faster, stronger was correct. take a look at the guys that way 225 today compared to 225 in yesteryear then look at 300 pounders no debate. today they are faster and stronger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnwtwg Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 2 hours ago, nhs67 said: They should align more appropriately with the MFS and MGR weights, which both put a weight class at ~213lbs. That will eliminate another weight, though. I'm failing to see any problems with this statement. Just align NCAA weight classes to the nearest UWW weight +2 pounds then use common sense to round up or down to the nearest whole number. e.g 70kg = 174.1 pounds so that would be 176.1 and since it's 0.1 just round down. 97kg = 213.8 pounds + 2 would be 215.8 so round up to 216 Problem solved. Sorry little guys, you need to hit the weights or cut harder just like those of us stuck between 197 and 285 have always been instructed to do. Or are you not dedicated enough for the team? i am an idiot on the internet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 Per Wrestlestat the current number of wrestlers they have ranked in each weight. 125: 254 133: 268 141: 299 149: 322 157: 319 165: 302 174: 290 184: 240 197: 238 285: 262 So 285 is a bit of a catch all, but not too extreme. If it followed the trend it would be around 224 instead of 262. 1 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 1 hour ago, Scouts Honor said: bigger, faster, stronger was correct. no debate. today they are faster and stronger the general population? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 Anyone who thinks there should be an NCAA weight over like 210 needs to watch Nash Hutmacher vs Peter Marinopoulos. Hutmacher looked like he was twice his size. And yet Marinopoulos, a backup 197 pounder, could still take him down. If you want to shift 184 & 197 up a bit fine, but the only legitimate reason to close the gap between 197 and 285 is so there’s a weight closer to 97kg for guys with freestyle aspirations. Yonger Bastida is yet another example of a 197 bumping up to heavyweight and doing better at heavyweight than they did at 197 despite giving up weight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mr. PeanutButter Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 128 135 143 153 163 174 186 200 215 MaxUltraWeight I think adding an 11th weightclass is an interesting idea. But I also think overtime should include a round where strikes are allowed so maybe don't let me write the rules. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 What’s more likely, adding an 11th weight class, or the University of Texas adding wrestling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 (edited) 36 minutes ago, 1032004 said: What’s more likely, adding an 11th weight class, or the University of Texas adding wrestling? Cutting to 9 and TAM adding. Edited February 6 by ionel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FanOfPurdueWrestling Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 1 hour ago, Mr. PeanutButter said: 128 135 143 153 163 174 186 200 215 MaxUltraWeight I think adding an 11th weightclass is an interesting idea. But I also think overtime should include a round where strikes are allowed so maybe don't let me write the rules. 200 and 215 is crazy. Changes to your top half 174 —-> 180 186 —->195 200 —-> remove 215—-> 213 MaxUltraWeight—-> 300 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. PeanutButter Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 48 minutes ago, FanOfPurdueWrestling said: 200 and 215 is crazy. Changes to your top half 174 —-> 180 186 —->195 200 —-> remove 215—-> 213 MaxUltraWeight—-> 300 That would leave us with 9 weights. I'm not necessarily opposed to the other changes but just wondering what is crazy about 200 and 215? (I didn't put a lot of thinking into the weight suggestions) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnwtwg Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 Why are you knuckleheads making this hard? Just emulate UWW and walk away. And to the doofus who said no weights above 210 - Kyle Snyder would like a word. Was he too fat for your liking? i am an idiot on the internet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macwoodfleet Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 24 minutes ago, bnwtwg said: Why are you knuckleheads making this hard? Just emulate UWW and walk away. And to the doofus who said no weights above 210 - Kyle Snyder would like a word. Was he too fat for your liking? Yeah, I'm sure Greg Kerkvliet and Adam Coon are great examples of American excess. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingcement Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 Greco-Roman Freestyle Current NCAA Proposed NCAA 121 125 125 125 132 134 133 134 139 143 141 142 148 154 149 151 159 163 157 162 170 174 165 172 181 190 174 186 192 203 184 198 214 214 197 214 287 276 285 285 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 4 minutes ago, flyingcement said: Greco-Roman Freestyle Current NCAA Proposed NCAA 121 125 125 125 132 134 133 134 139 143 141 142 148 154 149 151 159 163 157 162 170 174 165 172 181 190 174 186 192 203 184 198 214 214 197 214 287 276 285 285 Looks reasonable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 (edited) 7 hours ago, bnwtwg said: Why are you knuckleheads making this hard? Just emulate UWW and walk away. And to the doofus who said no weights above 210 - Kyle Snyder would like a word. Was he too fat for your liking? Whoops, worded that paragraph badly. I’m not saying to take out heavyweight. I’m saying (which hopefully was clear in the rest of the post) that we don’t need a weight over 210 in addition to heavyweight Edited February 6 by 1032004 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jchapman Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 (edited) 13 hours ago, 1032004 said: Anyone who thinks there should be an NCAA weight over like 210 needs to watch Nash Hutmacher vs Peter Marinopoulos. Hutmacher looked like he was twice his size. And yet Marinopoulos, a backup 197 pounder, could still take him down. If you want to shift 184 & 197 up a bit fine, but the only legitimate reason to close the gap between 197 and 285 is so there’s a weight closer to 97kg for guys with freestyle aspirations. Yonger Bastida is yet another example of a 197 bumping up to heavyweight and doing better at heavyweight than they did at 197 despite giving up weight So a guy who has been wrestling in college for a month gets taken down and that is part of your proof? I agree with your reasoning about a weight class close to 97kg. Edited February 6 by jchapman Craig Henning got screwed in the 2007 NCAA Finals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FanOfPurdueWrestling Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 11 hours ago, Mr. PeanutButter said: That would leave us with 9 weights. I'm not necessarily opposed to the other changes but just wondering what is crazy about 200 and 215? (I didn't put a lot of thinking into the weight suggestions) Yeah we would have to add one in the middle-ish area. I just like the idea of bumping up 197 closer to 97kg(213) and then going right to upper weight. The NCWA has a 235 weight class between 197 and HWT that has been around though so it must work out fairly well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnwtwg Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 If these ten weights are good for the rest of the world, why are they not good enough for Murica? If you are light just stuff a bald eagle into your singlet at weigh-ins. 57kg = 125.6 61kg = 134.4 65kg = 143.3 70kg = 154.3 74kg = 163.1 79kg = 174.1 86kg = 189.5 92kg = 202.8 97kg = 213.8 125kg = 275.5 i am an idiot on the internet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 38 minutes ago, jchapman said: So a guy who has been wrestling in college for a month gets taken down and that is part of your proof? Kinda, yea. Goes along with my Bastida comment. There have been a long line of 197’s bump up to heavyweight and do just as well as they did at 285, often better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 16 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said: Per Wrestlestat the current number of wrestlers they have ranked in each weight. 125: 254 133: 268 141: 299 149: 322 157: 319 165: 302 174: 290 184: 240 197: 238 285: 262 So 285 is a bit of a catch all, but not too extreme. If it followed the trend it would be around 224 instead of 262. Any chance you would be willing to do this for D2 and D3 as well? "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 1 minute ago, nhs67 said: Any chance you would be willing to do this for D2 and D3 as well? 16 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said: Per Wrestlestat the current number of wrestlers they have ranked in each weight. 125: 254 133: 268 141: 299 149: 322 157: 319 165: 302 174: 290 184: 240 197: 238 285: 262 So 285 is a bit of a catch all, but not too extreme. If it followed the trend it would be around 224 instead of 262. How about a graph of the fall pre-certification weights, would that be interesting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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