boathead Posted December 3, 2022 Share Posted December 3, 2022 what is the consensus? was this a take down for laird? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le duke Posted December 3, 2022 Share Posted December 3, 2022 I’m more OK with the Laird TD on Dean than the Kinner non-Merkle on SVN. If SVN has the leg shelved and it’s not laced, that’s not a Merkle and not a TD.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interviewed_at_Weehawken Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 7 hours ago, nhs67 said: I cringe when Kerk throws the legs in. With no ACL he has to rely on his muscle and positioning to keep his leg in proper anatomical location. It worries me every time. Cael lets a potential future gold medalist wrestle with no ACL? Horrors! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interviewed_at_Weehawken Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 1 hour ago, boathead said: what is the consensus? was this a take down for laird? Maybe not a great rule, but under the rule that exists, a correct call for a very anti-climatic 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPhillips Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 8 hours ago, nhs67 said: With no ACL he has to rely on his muscle and positioning to keep his leg in proper anatomical location. Dr. nhs67, How can I help? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 Just now, MPhillips said: Dr. nhs67, How can I help? Dr. Phil here with his jokes "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPhillips Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 6 minutes ago, nhs67 said: Dr. Phil here with his jokes Just working on forgiving those who have forsaken me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingcement Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPhillips Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 2 minutes ago, flyingcement said: Oh you're right there too... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatWhiteNorth Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 3 hours ago, boathead said: what is the consensus? was this a take down for laird? Yes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ban Basketball Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 5 hours ago, MPhillips said: Right on.. Did ten years with The Boys and then all the itineration's after. Still on the bus. Died with Jerry for me. We'll have to talk more though. I have a lot to say about them. Owner of over two decades of the most dangerous words on the internet! In fact, during the short life of this forum, me's culture has been cancelled three times on this very site! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interviewed_at_Weehawken Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 14 hours ago, boathead said: what is the consensus? was this a take down for laird? Some of Cael's "paid haters" don't think so, and are making a big deal out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 So the call was also challenged and reviewed, correct? Does appear to be a TD based on the current rule, but I could see them changing the wording in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Bryant Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 People can hate the rule all they want (I do) but it was applied correctly in this instance. 3 Insert catchy tagline here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gimpeltf Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 5 hours ago, Jason Bryant said: People can hate the rule all they want (I do) but it was applied correctly in this instance. Took me to see it single framing to fully appreciate it. It was an in "control" rear standing position. Then brought to the mat with a hand down. What takes a second to realize is that it's SV so that the instant the td is scored what happens after (other than flagrant) is totally irrelevant. I would assume Dean would have gotten a reversal in other circumstances. When they came up with this rule it was designed with quick 2-1 or 2-2 situations in mind. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Cinnabon Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 The crazy thing is if Dean rolled without touching his hand down it's no a TD. The hand touches while he is inverted mid-roll and the match is over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formally140 Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 He lost in OT on a close easily reversible call then it looks like the other match was 11-9 to a former teammate. In December I personally think he’s not separated enough from the field and is more likely top 4 than to repeat.. but the sky isn’t falling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrestlingphish Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 Cael FINALLY loses a challenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortaJohn Posted December 5, 2022 Author Share Posted December 5, 2022 30 minutes ago, Formally140 said: He lost in OT on a close easily reversible call then it looks like the other match was 11-9 to a former teammate. In December I personally think he’s not separated enough from the field and is more likely top 4 than to repeat.. but the sky isn’t falling If Michael Beard can improve his gas tank he's a national contender. As for 197 it has maybe the most parity of all the weights this year. Dean could finish anywhere between 1st and 8th and it wouldn't be shocking. If they ran 197 10 times at NCAA's they could have 10 different champs 3 I Don't Agree With What I Posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnwtwg Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 25 minutes ago, PortaJohn said: If Michael Beard can improve his gas tank he's a national contender. As for 197 it has maybe the most parity of all the weights this year. Dean could finish anywhere between 1st and 8th and it wouldn't be shocking. If they ran 197 10 times at NCAA's they could have 10 different champs It's gas tank as much as he looks like the cut is brutal. If only there were a weight class between 197 and 285, maybe something similiar to his high school weight class and his senior weight class. Hmmm if only... i am an idiot on the internet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 21 minutes ago, bnwtwg said: It's gas tank as much as he looks like the cut is brutal. If only there were a weight class between 197 and 285, maybe something similiar to his high school weight class and his senior weight class. Hmmm if only... Curious what is the average weight of heavies? I see a lot of 230lb to 240lb heavies so how would we even fill the 285 if we had a 220/230 class. Shirely @Wrestleknownothing has the data. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle bernard Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 On 12/3/2022 at 6:49 PM, Le duke said: I’m more OK with the Laird TD on Dean than the Kinner non-Merkle on SVN. If SVN has the leg shelved and it’s not laced, that’s not a Merkle and not a TD. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk as a merkle aficionado myself, good lord did he blow that. and he looked at it for 2 seconds before he did. that's not a difficult call. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 3 hours ago, ionel said: Curious what is the average weight of heavies? I see a lot of 230lb to 240lb heavies so how would we even fill the 285 if we had a 220/230 class. Shirely @Wrestleknownothing has the data. I am not heading down this body shaming black hole. Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 2 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said: I am not heading down this body shaming black hole. I dont care what everyone else says, you are a good man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatWhiteNorth Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 On 12/5/2022 at 6:30 PM, ionel said: I dont care what everyone else says, you are a good man. No doubt, everybody needs a good man named Shirely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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