Fadzaev2 Posted February 16, 2024 Share Posted February 16, 2024 On 1/28/2024 at 10:56 PM, cowcards said: Answer: 1972 126 Oklahoma State Yoshiro Fujita 177 Ohio Russ Johnson Expand Fujita broke his collar bone first round and was out.....sad....lost to Howard Fox (Cincinnati)/first period...opened the door for P. Milkovich to win the first of 2 NCAA titles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdalu75 Posted February 16, 2024 Share Posted February 16, 2024 Cowcards gave me permission to post this question, and also suggested rewording to make it easier to understand. I'll post the answer tomorrow (unless someone gets it by then). Who are the only two wrestlers to win an NCAA title while losing a match at that year's tournament? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gimpeltf Posted February 16, 2024 Share Posted February 16, 2024 On 2/16/2024 at 2:30 PM, jdalu75 said: Cowcards gave me permission to post this question, and also suggested rewording to make it easier to understand. I'll post the answer tomorrow (unless someone gets it by then). Who are the only two wrestlers to win an NCAA title while losing a match at that year's tournament? Expand I didn't realize it happened and certainly didn't know the names without looking them up but the one tip I'll give is that it helped to know what years to look for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadzaev2 Posted February 16, 2024 Share Posted February 16, 2024 I've got a good trivia question.......what high school had 3 wrestlers in the NCAA division 1 finals/the same year....who were the wrestlers and what year are we talking about. That year, they finished 1-2-1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowcards Posted February 16, 2024 Author Share Posted February 16, 2024 On 2/16/2024 at 2:49 PM, gimpeltf said: I didn't realize it happened and certainly didn't know the names without looking them up but the one tip I'll give is that it helped to know what years to look for. Expand This is definitely one you need to understand the progression of the NCAA tournament format and rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted February 16, 2024 Share Posted February 16, 2024 On 2/16/2024 at 3:08 PM, Fadzaev2 said: I've got a good trivia question.......what high school had 3 wrestlers in the NCAA division 1 finals/the same year....who were the wrestlers and what year are we talking about. That year, they finished 1-2-1 Expand Given their 30 titles I'd say Tulsa Central a good guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted February 16, 2024 Share Posted February 16, 2024 On 2/16/2024 at 3:34 PM, ionel said: Given their 30 titles I'd say Tulsa Central a good guess. Expand David "Buddy" Arndt (class of 1939) won titles in 1941-1942 and 1946. The Jennings won back-to-back titles in 1941 and 1942, and Maxwell joined them on the winner's podium in 1942. Actually that^^^ looks like 4 titles in one year (42) not 3 finalists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lu_alum Posted February 16, 2024 Share Posted February 16, 2024 On 2/16/2024 at 3:51 PM, ionel said: David "Buddy" Arndt (class of 1939) won titles in 1941-1942 and 1946. The Jennings won back-to-back titles in 1941 and 1942, and Maxwell joined them on the winner's podium in 1942. Actually that^^^ looks like 4 titles in one year (42) not 3 finalists.Tulsa Central also had instances where HS teammates met in the NCAA final. See my cited examples earlier in the thread. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted February 16, 2024 Share Posted February 16, 2024 (edited) On 2/16/2024 at 3:59 PM, lu_alum said: Tulsa Central also had instances where HS teammates in the NCAA final. See my cited examples earlier in the thread. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Expand And there might've been more than 4 in the finals in 42 (or other years), their web site doesn't talk about 2nd place. Since wrestlingstats.com is broken its harder to look up this stuff. Edited February 16, 2024 by ionel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Elite Posted February 16, 2024 Share Posted February 16, 2024 On 2/16/2024 at 3:15 PM, cowcards said: This is definitely one you need to understand the progression of the NCAA tournament format and rules. Expand Did they do a round robin once upon a time? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lu_alum Posted February 16, 2024 Share Posted February 16, 2024 On 2/16/2024 at 4:04 PM, ionel said: And there might've been more than 4 in the finals in 42 (or other years), their web site doesn't talk about 2nd place. Since wrestlingstats.com is broken its harder to look up this stuff.Five champs in 1942. Logan, Arndt, Jennings, Jennings, MaxwellSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowcards Posted February 16, 2024 Author Share Posted February 16, 2024 On 2/16/2024 at 4:07 PM, Ohio Elite said: Did they do a round robin once upon a time? Expand They used the old black marks system for a couple+ years. On 2/16/2024 at 3:34 PM, ionel said: Given their 30 titles I'd say Tulsa Central a good guess. Expand They have done it 4x actually. On 2/16/2024 at 4:13 PM, lu_alum said: Five champs in 1942. Logan, Arndt, Jennings, Jennings, Maxwell Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Expand McDonald and Johnson were also runner-ups. So they had 7 that year! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadzaev2 Posted February 16, 2024 Share Posted February 16, 2024 On 2/16/2024 at 3:08 PM, Fadzaev2 said: I've got a good trivia question.......what high school had 3 wrestlers in the NCAA division 1 finals/the same year....who were the wrestlers and what year are we talking about. That year, they finished 1-2-1 Expand I knew this might happen.....I'll clarify.....I'm talking "modern era"....I'll categorize that as since 1970. I'll give a good clue.....2 of them were 3 timers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
11986 Posted February 16, 2024 Share Posted February 16, 2024 On 2/16/2024 at 5:01 PM, Fadzaev2 said: I knew this might happen.....I'll clarify.....I'm talking "modern era"....I'll categorize that as since 1970. I'll give a good clue.....2 of them were 3 timers. Expand Barry Davis, Lenny Zalesky, Jim Zalesky. 1982 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Bryant Posted February 16, 2024 Share Posted February 16, 2024 @Fadzaev2 I'd recommend looking at 1969 as the start of the modern era, since that's the first year (save '47) freshmen were eligible, so we get to the "four timer" era. 1 Insert catchy tagline here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadzaev2 Posted February 16, 2024 Share Posted February 16, 2024 On 2/16/2024 at 6:11 PM, Jason Bryant said: @Fadzaev2 I'd recommend looking at 1969 as the start of the modern era, since that's the first year (save '47) freshmen were eligible, so we get to the "four timer" era. Expand Thanks Jas.....I'll back up one year to 1968-1969! That being said, here's another trivia question....who were/are the first two 4 time all-americans......(in the modern era...lol) I like talking "modern era" because was/am alive in the modern era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadzaev2 Posted February 16, 2024 Share Posted February 16, 2024 On 2/16/2024 at 5:43 PM, 11986 said: Barry Davis, Lenny Zalesky, Jim Zalesky. 1982 Expand Bingo!!! Cedar Rapids Prarie H. S. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted February 16, 2024 Share Posted February 16, 2024 On 2/16/2024 at 6:40 PM, Fadzaev2 said: Thanks Jas.....I'll back up one year to 1968-1969! That being said, here's another trivia question....who were/are the first two 4 time all-americans......(in the modern era...lol) I like talking "modern era" because was/am alive in the modern era. Expand Gary Breece (Oklahoma) and Jarrett Hubbard (Michigan) were the first two in the modern era. But they were actually the third and fourth overall. Can you name the first two? Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCMO2 Posted February 16, 2024 Share Posted February 16, 2024 On 2/16/2024 at 3:08 PM, Fadzaev2 said: I've got a good trivia question.......what high school had 3 wrestlers in the NCAA division 1 finals/the same year....who were the wrestlers and what year are we talking about. That year, they finished 1-2-1 Expand Blair Academy had 3 in the finals in 2005 I believe. Mocco 1st, Esposito 1st, and Mark Perry 2nd. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadzaev2 Posted February 16, 2024 Share Posted February 16, 2024 On 2/16/2024 at 6:55 PM, Wrestleknownothing said: Gary Breece (Oklahoma) and Jarrett Hubbard (Michigan) were the first two in the modern era. But they were actually the third and fourth overall. Can you name the first two? Expand No, because I probably wasn't born yet, and yes, you got the first 2 ITME right. There, I made up an acronym....lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted February 16, 2024 Share Posted February 16, 2024 On 2/16/2024 at 7:21 PM, Fadzaev2 said: No, because I probably wasn't born yet, and yes, you got the first 2 ITME right. There, I made up an acronym....lol. Expand You are correct. In the years immediately following WW2 they briefly allowed freshman to be eligible. So, in 1950 Dick Hutton (1,1,2,1 for Oklahoma St) and Joe Scarpello (1,3,2,1 for Iowa) became the first two four timers. And unless they started the finals at Heavyweight Scarpello would have barely preceded Hutton. 1 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortaJohn Posted February 16, 2024 Share Posted February 16, 2024 (edited) On 2/16/2024 at 7:11 PM, KCMO2 said: Blair Academy had 3 in the finals in 2005 I believe. Mocco 1st, Esposito 1st, and Mark Perry 2nd. Expand & Cooperman took 3rd. Another Blair alum Backes came in to that tournament as the #2 seed & Robbie Preston I believe wrestled back to the Round of 12 Edited February 16, 2024 by PortaJohn I Don't Agree With What I Posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCMO2 Posted February 16, 2024 Share Posted February 16, 2024 On 2/16/2024 at 8:56 PM, PortaJohn said: & Cooperman took 3rd. Another Blair alum Backes came in to that tournament as the #2 seed & Robbie Preston I believe wrestled back to the Round of 12 Expand And I think Palmer took 8th. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadzaev2 Posted February 16, 2024 Share Posted February 16, 2024 On 2/16/2024 at 8:35 PM, Wrestleknownothing said: You are correct. In the years immediately following WW2 they briefly allowed freshman to be eligible. So, in 1950 Dick Hutton (1,1,2,1 for Oklahoma St) and Joe Scarpello (1,3,2,1 for Iowa) became the first two four timers. And unless they started the finals at Heavyweight Scarpello would have barely preceded Hutton. Expand I was two years old, and Amateur Wrestling News hadn't hit the press for the first time, so this wasn't stored in my cranial terabytes.....darn it....thank goodness for Google!!! WKN.....you're alright!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted February 17, 2024 Share Posted February 17, 2024 On 2/16/2024 at 11:20 PM, Fadzaev2 said: I was two years old, and Amateur Wrestling News hadn't hit the press for the first time, so this wasn't stored in my cranial terabytes.....darn it....thank goodness for Google!!! WKN.....you're alright!!! Expand Right back at ya, Fadz. I always enjoy your posts. You are so knowledgable. 1 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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