VakAttack Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 2 minutes ago, mspart said: Biden is also on record saying he will close the border if the new bill passes IF the border gets overwhelmed. So why pass a new bill? Apparently the border is not overwhelmed now. He could close the border at any time by enforcing current law. He is being disingenuous. mspart He literally can not. You and others just saying this over and over again is just false. Just now, mspart said: Only in your mind. Trump had the border under control. By any measure Biden has the border completely out of control. So anyone with logic can put 2 and 2 together and figure this out unless they don't want to. mspart 1. Only for people who don't understand middle school concepts like "correlation doesn't equal causation." 2. You just saying that Trump had the border under control isn't actually evidence of anything. Statistically, his policies did almost nothing about illegal immigration, although he did manage to severely cut down on legal immigration. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mspart Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 Just now, VakAttack said: He literally can not. You and others just saying this over and over again is just false. Explain why Biden cannot enforce current immigration law. mspart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VakAttack Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 Just now, mspart said: Explain why Biden cannot enforce current immigration law. mspart Because the current immigration law and system is broken and full of laws that contradict each other, as acknowledged by both parties. You guys pushing on this side of the political equation need to make a decision, should he issue EOs to fix the issue, or should he "enforce existing laws" that none of you know what you're talking about when you say? Honestly, you all seem to think the immigration code is: 1. No illegal immigration. 2. See 1. ~Fin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mspart Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 1 minute ago, VakAttack said: He literally can not. You and others just saying this over and over again is just false. 1. Only for people who don't understand middle school concepts like "correlation doesn't equal causation." 2. You just saying that Trump had the border under control isn't actually evidence of anything. Statistically, his policies did almost nothing about illegal immigration, although he did manage to severely cut down on legal immigration. 1. I understand them. Why do you think Dem cities and states are screaming about illegal immigration right now? Correlation does not equal causation unless you can show what changed. Biden changed the policies and we have an out of control border. That is causation. Bad before, worse now. What changed? The policy. ipso facto. 2. So your argument here is that Trump had worse legal immigration so we should compensate that for worse illegal immigration? Makes no sense. mspart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mspart Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 Just now, VakAttack said: Because the current immigration law and system is broken and full of laws that contradict each other, as acknowledged by both parties. You guys pushing on this side of the political equation need to make a decision, should he issue EOs to fix the issue, or should he "enforce existing laws" that none of you know what you're talking about when you say? Honestly, you all seem to think the immigration code is: 1. No illegal immigration. 2. See 1. ~Fin. So you think current immigration law is too complicated? Why wasn't it too complicated 4 years ago? Biden did issue EOs to fix the issue. He removed Trumps policies. Now worse border control. You just can't see the forest for the forest. mspart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VakAttack Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 3 minutes ago, mspart said: 1. I understand them. Why do you think Dem cities and states are screaming about illegal immigration right now? Correlation does not equal causation unless you can show what changed. Biden changed the policies and we have an out of control border. That is causation. Bad before, worse now. What changed? The policy. ipso facto. This is literally the definition of correlation, not causation. 3 minutes ago, mspart said: 2. So your argument here is that Trump had worse legal immigration so we should compensate that for worse illegal immigration? Makes no sense. mspart No, that wasn't my argument. You're just making things up. 1 minute ago, mspart said: So you think current immigration law is too complicated? Why wasn't it too complicated 4 years ago? Biden did issue EOs to fix the issue. He removed Trumps policies. Now worse border control. You just can't see the forest for the forest. mspart It's not just me who thinks immigration law is too complicated. It's anybody who has any idea what they're talking about. It was too complicated 4 years ago, and 8 years ago, and 16 years ago, etc. etc. Which is why for all of my adult life (and probably before then, but I wasn't paying attention) both parties keep talking about the immigration system being broken and needing to be fixed, but neither side agreeing on fixes. The audacity to pretend this is some new issue.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jross Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 21 minutes ago, mspart said: So anyone with logic can put 2 and 2 together and figure this out unless they don't want to. mspart Logical conclusions that go against one's belief cause pain. They don't want pain. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreePointTakedown Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 34 minutes ago, mspart said: Only in your mind. Trump had the border under control. By any measure Biden has the border completely out of control. So anyone with logic can put 2 and 2 together and figure this out unless they don't want to. mspart Please square that circle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offthemat Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 It wasn’t too complicated for Eisenhower. Since then there have been lawsuits and judgments that have frayed and frustrated the statutes, but it won’t be contained by people who don’t want to enforce the laws already in place. Biden and the dims don’t want the border closed. Neither does the Chamber of Commerce. It only hurts the lower and middle income folks, so it’s not important to many politicians. Reagan tried to trade amnesty for border control and all he got was amnesty. We shouldn’t make that mistake again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreePointTakedown Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 57 minutes ago, mspart said: Nope: https://www.npr.org/2020/09/14/912060869/biden-pledges-to-dismantle-trumps-sweeping-immigration-changes-but-can-he-do-tha Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden is pledging to dismantle the sweeping changes President Trump has made to the American immigration system, if he wins the White House in November. mspart So not separating kids from parents. Some of whom(about 1000) still haven't been reunited with family. Can't wait to see how you explain that away. Stretch first, don't pull a hammy, don't be a hero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyBT Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 2 hours ago, VakAttack said: Because the law in the area of immigration are incredibly complex, and often contradictory, due to administrations going back and forth. Part of this current bipartisan negotiation involves (according to the negotiators) streamlining the system. Great. And EOs in this area are extremely ineffective, as Trump found out. The law is too complex, contradictory, and ripe for multiple different challenges, which means nothing happens and the problem just sits there and worsens. Something passed by Congress and signed into law is MUCH more effective in general and especially in a circumstance like this. Who would challenge it and why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyBT Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 56 minutes ago, VakAttack said: He literally can not. You and others just saying this over and over again is just false. 1. Only for people who don't understand middle school concepts like "correlation doesn't equal causation." 2. You just saying that Trump had the border under control isn't actually evidence of anything. Statistically, his policies did almost nothing about illegal immigration, although he did manage to severely cut down on legal immigration. You would think someone that’s a “lawyer” wouldn’t have to always put people down huh? Lawyer my ass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyBT Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 2 hours ago, Husker_Du said: This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyBT Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 28 minutes ago, ThreePointTakedown said: Please square that circle? Psycho babble boy is back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyBT Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 It is funny how dems are now admitting there’s a problem. Election coming up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VakAttack Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 4 minutes ago, JimmyBT said: Who would challenge it and why? Immigrants, immigrations activists, progressives, 2 minutes ago, JimmyBT said: You would think someone that’s a “lawyer” wouldn’t have to always put people down huh? Lawyer my ass Yeah, that's what they say. Lawyers are famously kind and respectful to others and not at all arrogant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyBT Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 1 minute ago, VakAttack said: Immigrants, immigrations activists, progressives, Yeah, that's what they say. Lawyers are famously kind and respectful to others and not at all arrogant. How will they tie it up??? Be specific on timing and for how long. my lawyer is very respectful and has a clue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mspart Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 Some data: https://cis.org/Report/Estimating-Illegal-Immigrant-Population-Using-Current-Population-Survey Notice the time line; From 2016 to Feb 2022 (almost 2 years ago). Notice that the numbers declined per DHS figures. And notice the massive drop that occurred just before Biden came into office Jan 2021. Now notice the rise since Biden came into office. Make your own conclusions. mspart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VakAttack Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 42 minutes ago, mspart said: Some data: https://cis.org/Report/Estimating-Illegal-Immigrant-Population-Using-Current-Population-Survey Notice the time line; From 2016 to Feb 2022 (almost 2 years ago). Notice that the numbers declined per DHS figures. And notice the massive drop that occurred just before Biden came into office Jan 2021. Now notice the rise since Biden came into office. Make your own conclusions. mspart You mean how they dropped during the COVID pandemic and then return to similar numbers as before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VakAttack Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 51 minutes ago, JimmyBT said: How will they tie it up??? Be specific on timing and for how long. my lawyer is very respectful and has a clue. Respect is earned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyBT Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 (edited) 2 minutes ago, VakAttack said: Respect is earned. Yep it is. That’s why my lawyer gives me that respect. Edited February 1 by JimmyBT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VakAttack Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 Just now, JimmyBT said: Yep it is. That’s why my lawyer gives it to me. Or because you pay him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Elite Posted February 1 Author Share Posted February 1 10 minutes ago, VakAttack said: Or because you pay him. Hey Vak, is this your business card by chance? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyBT Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 12 minutes ago, VakAttack said: Or because you pay him. Nope sorry. We’re close friends. Even gives me the family and friends discount out of respect. I never needed to go see strippers like you must have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VakAttack Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 2 minutes ago, JimmyBT said: Nope sorry. We’re close friends. Even gives me the family and friends discount out of respect. I never needed to go see strippers like you must have. Good come back, dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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