Brands Advice To Suspended Iowa Wrestlers: 'Be Ready'

[FanOfPurdueWrestling]

What do we interpret this as? Are the suspended coming back to Iowa?

 

https://www.flowrestling.org/articles/11959321-brands-advice-to-suspended-iowa-wrestlers-be-ready

[wrestle87]

Or maybe reimbursed a year of eligibility?

It smelled fishy from the beginning, definitely like someone was trying to build to a career stepping stone on the heads of college athletes.

[pawrestler]

Can someone give me a TLDR of what happened? The dept didn’t get warrants basically?

[1032004]

I assume is in reference to this:

https://news.yahoo.com/dci-lied-agents-suspects-target-214003907.html

Dresser offered some more details, including “I hope these athletes take the state of Iowa to the cleaners”

 

[1032004]

Was this the first time Tom actually named the athletes involved?

[Le duke]

I don’t think the NCAA cares. Seriously. In the case of Nelson Brands, for example, the kid admitted to it. Due process is irrelevant to the NCAA; they aren’t the US government.

Also, pardon me for not taking Tom Brands seriously when it comes to the legal or athletic implications of this.


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[billyhoyle]

Brands and Dresser need to take responsibility for their failure to inform their wrestlers that they can't gamble on college sports rather than blame the people who caught them.  Or how about taking responsibility for creating a culture where those actions were widely acceptable? 

The first thing you are told by the compliance office freshman year in a giant meeting with every student-athlete is that you can't gamble on sports. 

[CHROMEBIRD]

The runway is growing ever shorter, though. Iowa only has 5 or 6 duals left before Big Tens.

[wrestle87]

I’m hearing a lot on here dismissing the notion of abuse of power by enforcers.  

The NCAA seems to have gotten its information from the iowa state level equivalent of the FBI, and this is by no means the first time law enforcement has gotten “overly eager” when pursuing a high profile case.

[Alces Alces Gigas]

It will be interesting to see if the NCAA feels they are obliged to follow the exclusionary rule (fruit of the poisonous tree doctrine) or not.   Either way a Civil Rights Lawsuit might be warranted.

[1032004]

7 hours ago, billyhoyle said:

Brands and Dresser need to take responsibility for their failure to inform their wrestlers that they can't gamble on college sports rather than blame the people who caught them.  Or how about taking responsibility for creating a culture where those actions were widely acceptable? 

The first thing you are told by the compliance office freshman year in a giant meeting with every student-athlete is that you can't gamble on sports. 

Dresser did, IMO.  Brands, not really 

[Jimmy Cinnabon]

If the suspended wrestlers come back this suddenly goes from a boring NCAA team race to an exciting one.  There would also be a logjam with the homegrown guys and all the transfers.

Edited January 25 by Jimmy Cinnabon

[Wrestleknownothing]

2 minutes ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

If the suspended wrestlers come back this suddenly goes from a boring NCAA team race to an exciting one.  There would also be a logjam with the homegrown guys and all the transfers.

I think those two sentences contradict each other.

[1032004]

7 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

I think those two sentences contradict each other.

Yeah, most likely there would be no logjam with transfers.   Brands 184, Cassioppi HWT, and Assad 197 if he can beat Glazier but neither is a transfer.

The only way it could worsen the logjam would be if Brands is at 174.

[Idaho]

16 minutes ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

suddenly goes from a boring NCAA team race to an exciting one

[Wrestleknownothing]

1 hour ago, 1032004 said:

Yeah, most likely there would be no logjam with transfers.   Brands 184, Cassioppi HWT, and Assad 197 if he can beat Glazier but neither is a transfer.

The only way it could worsen the logjam would be if Brands is at 174.

Cassioppi just wrestled at 97kg at the US Open. He would be a pretty small heavy.

[Jimmy Cinnabon]

"Stand back and stand by"

[Dogbone]

The team race will still be very boring this year due to PSU's combination of transfers and homegrown talent.

Regardless, I hope the Iowa and ISU guys get a year back, whether this year or next.   

Yes, they broke a rule, but the punishment has been far too steep IMO.  Throw in the manner in which this came to light and I have a hard time thinking this was just.

[Wrestleknownothing]

1 minute ago, Dogbone said:

The team race will still be very boring this year due to PSU's combination of transfers and homegrown talent.

Regardless, I hope the Iowa and ISU guys get a year back, whether this year or next.   

Yes, they broke a rule, but the punishment has been far too steep IMO.  Throw in the manner in which this came to light and I have a hard time thinking this was just.

Amen

[FanOfPurdueWrestling]

12 hours ago, 1032004 said:

I assume is in reference to this:

https://news.yahoo.com/dci-lied-agents-suspects-target-214003907.html

Dresser offered some more details, including “I hope these athletes take the state of Iowa to the cleaners”

 

I like listening to Dresser talk, if they had a warrant for the phone I’m not sure they have much ground to stand on arguing that they were taken.

 

I’m not a lawyer and just don’t understand what was mishandled. 

[VakAttack]

The idea of them returning this season seems ridiculous to me, way too quick a turnaround for the NCAA.  I also tend to think, like @Le duke, that the NCAA is not bound by the "fruit of the poisonous tree" argument regarding how this information was obtained, just that it exists.  However, I am also on the side that says there's no way these kids should have been punished this way UNLESS they bet on their team.

[ionel]

The F plan didn't work, Jimmy found a new way, Iowa is gonna win now, lions go home with their tails between their legs.  

[alex1fly]

Even though Iowa is a SWORN ENEMY lol I have sympathy. OSU has been boned by the NCAA several times in recent history on ridiculous charges - OSU basketball being the most recent victim. NCAA busted several schools for the same thing but levied far worse penalties on OSU basketball than on the other schools. Basically killed all the momentum the program had, which is now swimming at the bottom of the Big 12. NCAA likes to flex and isn’t accountable to anybody. Stinks. 

[JimmyCinnabon]

2 hours ago, 1032004 said:

Dresser did, IMO.  Brands, not really 

Nelson Brands went on Twitter and said that they did have a training on this but he skipped it. Frankly I think the punishments are way too harsh and they should be allowed to wrestle so long as they never bet on wrestling. But it appears as if they programs did have something in place to inform the athletes about gambling.

[Dogbone]

17 minutes ago, FanOfPurdueWrestling said:

I like listening to Dresser talk, if they had a warrant for the phone I’m not sure they have much ground to stand on arguing that they were taken.

 

I’m not a lawyer and just don’t understand what was mishandled. 

The report said something to the effect that there were warrant-less searches.  It is not clear if the paper he referenced to take phones a warrant or not. It could also be that they didn't have a warrant to use the geofencing which led them to taking of the phones.  As others have mentioned, that probably only helps them legally and not with the NCAA.