MPhillips Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 Is it correct in saying that Kyle couldn't wrestle anywhere in DI at this time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98lberEating2Lunches Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 (edited) Yes. Without the NPO being signed by both institutions, because his transfer waiver exception and all appeals have been exhausted. He explains this in the podcast. He also says he decided to transfer right after NCAAa (not that he was just thinking of it) and the reason he didn't enter the transfer portal was he was taking his time, thinking he had the time to take. He makes no reference of Taylor Lamont's arrival as being part of his decision. Mentions other factors though like best interest of his academics. He also makes clear the basis of his waiver exception request was that the portal entry rule was new for this year to wrestling, and he had no reasonable way to know it existed to consider it. He said the NCAA responded that it is not the responsibility of its member institutions to inform the student athletes of the transfer rules. Kyle said there were other less than truthful ways he could've done his waiver exception request, but he didn't think that was right. I respect Kyle's integrity. His and Coach Manning's tone toward Wisconsin seems much more deferential now. Basically asking for a favor, regardless of the letter or intent of the May 1 rule and NPO certification. He seems to now have home to recognize that losing a year of eligibility isn't the end of his world, even if it would be a great loss to him. Said he's happy to share his voice so a similar thing doesn't happen to others. Edited December 23, 2022 by 98lberEating2Lunches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPhillips Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 7 minutes ago, 98lberEating2Lunches said: Kyle said there were other less than truthful ways he could've done his waiver exception request, but he didn't think that was right. I respect Kyle's integrity. Is that what Wisconsin is claiming as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98lberEating2Lunches Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 1 minute ago, MPhillips said: Is that what Wisconsin is claiming as well? Don't know. Haven't seen any public statement making that claim. Since we no know AD Compliance is responsible for the NPO certification, I imagine what is an acceptable interpretation of the form and its guidance is being discussed. Imagine being the one in the Wisconsin AD compliance office being asked to sign. Imagine further if you had gone on the record stating you didn't believe you could truthfully sign. If a Wisconsin compliance weighed in and it was documented in some maintained record in one direction, then that would present a challenge to be overcome. I would think a NCAA institution's athletic department's compliance office openly flouting a rule would not be met favorably by the NCAA. That's why I think all the public squabbling was not in Kyle's best interest. It gave a lot of visibility to what could've just been a mundane transfer. But to Kyle's credit, he appears to have truthfully gone thru the full NCAA process before falling back to the NPO and encouraging Wisconsin to further consider signing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 I really feel like we are getting close and gonna have this nailed down in another 10 pages. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPhillips Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 Just now, ionel said: I really feel like we are getting close and gonna have this nailed down in another 10 pages. "Nobody like's a quitter." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 Just now, MPhillips said: "Nobody like's a quitter." Hey I say keep it up for at least 10 more pages let's re-evaluate and talk about quitting then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPhillips Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 Just now, ionel said: Hey I say keep it up for at least 10 more pages let's re-evaluate and talk about quitting then. Imagine if this thread was merged with five for five... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, MPhillips said: Imagine if this thread was merged with five for five... Or maybe we should get some input from the Irainians on this Kyle B situation? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPhillips Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 Just now, ionel said: Or maybe we should get some input from the Irainians Those cats know how to post... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajensen09 Posted December 24, 2022 Author Share Posted December 24, 2022 Per coach manning. Just do the right thing Wisconsin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajensen09 Posted December 24, 2022 Author Share Posted December 24, 2022 6 hours ago, 98lberEating2Lunches said: Yes. Without the NPO being signed by both institutions, because his transfer waiver exception and all appeals have been exhausted. He explains this in the podcast. He also says he decided to transfer right after NCAAa (not that he was just thinking of it) and the reason he didn't enter the transfer portal was he was taking his time, thinking he had the time to take. He makes no reference of Taylor Lamont's arrival as being part of his decision. Mentions other factors though like best interest of his academics. He also makes clear the basis of his waiver exception request was that the portal entry rule was new for this year to wrestling, and he had no reasonable way to know it existed to consider it. He said the NCAA responded that it is not the responsibility of its member institutions to inform the student athletes of the transfer rules. Kyle said there were other less than truthful ways he could've done his waiver exception request, but he didn't think that was right. I respect Kyle's integrity. His and Coach Manning's tone toward Wisconsin seems much more deferential now. Basically asking for a favor, regardless of the letter or intent of the May 1 rule and NPO certification. He seems to now have home to recognize that losing a year of eligibility isn't the end of his world, even if it would be a great loss to him. Said he's happy to share his voice so a similar thing doesn't happen to others. Ehh not really. All Mark manning is saying is for Wisconsin to do the right thing. Which they haven't yet. Just a signature is all 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajensen09 Posted December 24, 2022 Author Share Posted December 24, 2022 6 hours ago, 98lberEating2Lunches said: Yes. Without the NPO being signed by both institutions, because his transfer waiver exception and all appeals have been exhausted. He explains this in the podcast. He also says he decided to transfer right after NCAAa (not that he was just thinking of it) and the reason he didn't enter the transfer portal was he was taking his time, thinking he had the time to take. He makes no reference of Taylor Lamont's arrival as being part of his decision. Mentions other factors though like best interest of his academics. He also makes clear the basis of his waiver exception request was that the portal entry rule was new for this year to wrestling, and he had no reasonable way to know it existed to consider it. He said the NCAA responded that it is not the responsibility of its member institutions to inform the student athletes of the transfer rules. Kyle said there were other less than truthful ways he could've done his waiver exception request, but he didn't think that was right. I respect Kyle's integrity. His and Coach Manning's tone toward Wisconsin seems much more deferential now. Basically asking for a favor, regardless of the letter or intent of the May 1 rule and NPO certification. He seems to now have home to recognize that losing a year of eligibility isn't the end of his world, even if it would be a great loss to him. Said he's happy to share his voice so a similar thing doesn't happen to others. It's not over, they were just I'm meeting with Wisconsin about this. Per manning 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajensen09 Posted December 24, 2022 Author Share Posted December 24, 2022 7 hours ago, MPhillips said: Is it correct in saying that Kyle couldn't wrestle anywhere in DI at this time? Without the sign off yes. He can wrestle any other division. He can wrestle any d1 school with Wisconsins signature Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted December 24, 2022 Share Posted December 24, 2022 1 minute ago, jajensen09 said: Without the sign off yes. He can wrestle any other division. He can wrestle any d1 school with Wisconsins signature Can he play D1 basketball at Nebraska? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Bryant Posted December 24, 2022 Share Posted December 24, 2022 Jason I respect you tremendously for what you have done and given to the sport but you basing your opinion on this matter because of the number of tweets seems beneath you...you clearly don't like Bono...fine but come on dude...I’m confused on how that’s what you got out of any of my input in this thread, especially a response pointing out the public nature of a tweet. Maybe re-read it and look at the context? I don’t get how you can think I clearly don’t like Bono (which is false, BTW) from anything I’ve ever written or posted ever. 2 Insert catchy tagline here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Parrish Posted December 24, 2022 Share Posted December 24, 2022 6 minutes ago, Jason Bryant said: I’m confused on how that’s what you got out of any of my input in this thread, especially a response pointing out the public nature of a tweet. Maybe re-read it and look at the context? I don’t get how you can think I clearly don’t like Bono (which is false, BTW) from anything I’ve ever written or posted ever. I don't think he's that bright. He struggles to synthesize information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted December 24, 2022 Share Posted December 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, Mike Parrish said: I don't think he's that bright. He struggles to synthesize information. I hope you aren't suggesting he's Irish like Biden. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Parrish Posted December 24, 2022 Share Posted December 24, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, ionel said: I hope you aren't suggesting he's Irish like Biden. I strongly suspect Bigbrog's ancestry is a mystery to his entire family. Edited December 24, 2022 by Mike Parrish 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajensen09 Posted December 24, 2022 Author Share Posted December 24, 2022 19 minutes ago, ionel said: Can he play D1 basketball at Nebraska? Probably. Basketball isn't a sport. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chestcrusher Posted December 24, 2022 Share Posted December 24, 2022 “He said the NCAA responded that it is not the responsibility of its member institutions to inform the student athletes of the transfer rules.” O. Ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted December 24, 2022 Share Posted December 24, 2022 11 hours ago, Chestcrusher said: “He said the NCAA responded that it is not the responsibility of its member institutions to inform the student athletes of the transfer rules.” O. Ok. Exactly. Why should a university feel an obligation to educate and inform? 1 2 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jchapman Posted December 25, 2022 Share Posted December 25, 2022 On 12/24/2022 at 8:19 AM, Wrestleknownothing said: Exactly. Why should a university feel an obligation to educate and inform? Teaching personal accountability? Craig Henning got screwed in the 2007 NCAA Finals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingcement Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, jchapman said: Teaching personal accountability? Good idea. Schools should even hide the textbooks so only the students that find them can utilize them... Edited December 26, 2022 by flyingcement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingcement Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 In other words, it's a braindead idea. Merry Christmas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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