jajensen09 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 There are several wrestlers that aren't going to have many matches going into conference weekend. Is the rule you must have 15 matches? Or you must wrestle your way in to Ncaas? I believe that means it'll take away alot spots out of each weight class that will qualify for ncaas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corby Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 15 for a RPI. You need 8 for the coaches poll (and 1 in the last 30 days). The other is a .700 winning %. You need 2 of the 3 to allocate 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajensen09 Posted January 24 Author Share Posted January 24 1 minute ago, Corby said: 15 for a RPI. You need 8 for the coaches poll (and 1 in the last 30 days). The other is a .700 winning %. You need 2 of the 3 to allocate So with all these penn state guys not having alot of matches. Isn't that going to take a lot of spots away from the big 10? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 1 minute ago, jajensen09 said: So with all these penn state guys not having alot of matches. Isn't that going to take a lot of spots away from the big 10? No. They will have enough for 2 of 3 categories (coaches' poll, winning %) which is all you need to earn the conference an allocation. 1 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigerfan Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 2 minutes ago, jajensen09 said: So with all these penn state guys not having alot of matches. Isn't that going to take a lot of spots away from the big 10? So you think in another 5 weeks there will still be a lot of PSU guys with less than 8 matches and less than a .700 win pct? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajensen09 Posted January 24 Author Share Posted January 24 1 minute ago, Tigerfan said: So you think in another 5 weeks there will still be a lot of PSU guys with less than 8 matches and less than a .700 win pct? No I don't. I thought the mark was 16 not 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lu_alum Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Fifteen required for an RPI (must be against D1 competition). Coaches' Rank and Win Pct will earn an allocation for the B1G, but the lack of an RPI will negatively impact someone when applying the formula for seeding criteria. Example being Brooks as a #3 last year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajensen09 Posted January 24 Author Share Posted January 24 1 minute ago, lu_alum said: Fifteen required for an RPI (must be against D1 competition). Coaches' Rank and Win Pct will earn an allocation for the B1G, but the lack of an RPI will negatively impact someone when applying the formula for seeding criteria. Example being Brooks as a #3 last year. Right. On Flo they were mentioning Brooks won't hit that match mark this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idaho Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 1 minute ago, lu_alum said: Fifteen required for an RPI (must be against D1 competition). Coaches' Rank and Win Pct will earn an allocation for the B1G, but the lack of an RPI will negatively impact someone when applying the formula for seeding criteria. Example being Brooks as a #3 last year. Which we will undoubtedly have 9 threads of people complaining about seeds who don't understand.... much like the first coaches poll. 1 Sponsored by INTERMAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigerfan Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 (edited) 7 minutes ago, jajensen09 said: No I don't. I thought the mark was 16 not 8 You quoted Corby’s excellent explanation while posing the question. You were literally told 2 min before you asked the question that 16 was not necessary. I guess I don’t understand why. Edited January 24 by Tigerfan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajensen09 Posted January 24 Author Share Posted January 24 2 minutes ago, lu_alum said: Fifteen required for an RPI (must be against D1 competition). Coaches' Rank and Win Pct will earn an allocation for the B1G, but the lack of an RPI will negatively impact someone when applying the formula for seeding criteria. Example being Brooks as a #3 last year. Wondering what flo was referring to when it will take spots away? Were they talking about Penn state or other wrestlers. You look at heavyweight, if Krueter and Hutmacher wrestle big 10s, that could take 2 heavyweight spots away from the big 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lu_alum Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Page 13... https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/championships/sports/wrestling/d1/men/2023-24D1MWR_PreChampsManual.pdf 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lu_alum Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 (edited) More good stuff. This explains seeding... https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/championships/sports/wrestling/d1/men/D1MWR_SelectionsProcess.pdf Edited January 24 by lu_alum 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Thanks, @lu_alum for posting these. One thing to note is that for pre-allocation purposes the magic date is Feb. 23. Matches after Feb. 23 are not taken into account for conference allocations, though they are taken into account for seeding purposes. One more thing to note is that the thresholds for the pre-allocation categories are not fixed. They can slide up or down in concert in order to achieve a desired range for pre-allocations per weight, with the max being 29. Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winners Circle Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 1 hour ago, jajensen09 said: Wondering what flo was referring to when it will take spots away? Were they talking about Penn state or other wrestlers. You look at heavyweight, if Krueter and Hutmacher wrestle big 10s, that could take 2 heavyweight spots away from the big 10 Are we sure Hutmacher is a NQ level wrestler at this point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajensen09 Posted January 24 Author Share Posted January 24 52 minutes ago, Winners Circle said: Are we sure Hutmacher is a NQ level wrestler at this point? Not sure on that. I think only way he can qualify is to finish high enough in big 10s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winners Circle Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 3 minutes ago, jajensen09 said: Not sure on that. I think only way he can qualify is to finish high enough in big 10s Agree. And I'm not sure he's top 8-10 in the B1G. He might be, but I think it's unclear at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajensen09 Posted January 24 Author Share Posted January 24 32 minutes ago, Winners Circle said: Agree. And I'm not sure he's top 8-10 in the B1G. He might be, but I think it's unclear at this point. Could see Nash vs Ben in wrestle backs to see who qualifies 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lu_alum Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 5 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said: Thanks, @lu_alum for posting these. One thing to note is that for pre-allocation purposes the magic date is Feb. 23. Matches after Feb. 23 are not taken into account for conference allocations, though they are taken into account for seeding purposes. One more thing to note is that the thresholds for the pre-allocation categories are not fixed. They can slide up or down in concert in order to achieve a desired range for pre-allocations per weight, with the max being 29. It appears that the "magic date" has shifted since the Pre-Championships Manual was published in September. According the an update published on 2-Jan, all matches through 25-Feb count toward conference allocations. See page 2 of the linked file: https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/championships/sports/wrestling/d1/men/2023-24D1MWR_QualifierAllocationCriteria.pdf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lu_alum Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 (edited) For those who are interested, here is the site from where I am pulling all of this NCAA information: https://www.ncaa.org/sports/2013/10/23/division-i-wrestling.aspx * the 'Selection Process' file I shared earlier was from 2019. The link for the 2023-24 version is below. Contents are as follows: Championship Information 2023-24 Coach and Administrator Meeting Slides 2023-24 NCAA Division I Wrestling Coaches Ranking Roster 2023-24 Season Information Memo 2023-24 Qualifier Allocation Criteria 2023-24 Team Registration Link 2023-24 Championship Webinar Manuals 2023-24 Pre-championships Manual 2023-24 Host Operations Manual 2022-23 Participant Manual Links and Resources NCAA Wrestling Registered Officials Skin evaluation and participation status form Dual Championship Scoring Model Team Component Presentation Division I Men's Wrestling Selection Process Center Mat National Wrestling Coaches Association Wrestling Rules of the Game Edited January 24 by lu_alum 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corby Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 1 hour ago, lu_alum said: It appears that the "magic date" has shifted since the Pre-Championships Manual was published in September. According the an update published on 2-Jan, all matches through 25-Feb count toward conference allocations. See page 2 of the linked file: https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/championships/sports/wrestling/d1/men/2023-24D1MWR_QualifierAllocationCriteria.pdf NCAA is later this year March 21-23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lu_alum Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 1 hour ago, Corby said: NCAA is later this year March 21-23 They only adjusted it by two days, changing the end date from a Friday to a Sunday. They obviously caught the error in the Pre-Championships Guide and corrected it in the 2-Jan update to the Qualifier Allocation Criteria. As for NCAA being "later this year", I believe the championships typically begin on the 3rd Thursday of March. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corby Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 1 hour ago, lu_alum said: They only adjusted it by two days, changing the end date from a Friday to a Sunday. They obviously caught the error in the Pre-Championships Guide and corrected it in the 2-Jan update to the Qualifier Allocation Criteria. As for NCAA being "later this year", I believe the championships typically begin on the 3rd Thursday of March. It's definitely the way the calendar fell this year . I always say its late when it's after Paddy's day although like you said it's still the 3rd Thursday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdalu75 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 The earlier version (overwritten by the update) had the cutoff date as Feb 18th. It was adjusted by a week. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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