blueandgold Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 He’s the only six-time NCAA champion in college wrestling history and yet I hardly hear his name in discussion for best heavyweights or wrestlers overall. I’m also curious to know, is his success the reason for the college division (D2 & D3) being excluded from future NCAA Division I tournaments? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Cinnabon Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 He's no Spencer Lee, that's for sure. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gimpeltf Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 27 minutes ago, blueandgold said: He’s the only six-time NCAA champion in college wrestling history and yet I hardly hear his name in discussion for best heavyweights or wrestlers overall. I’m also curious to know, is his success the reason for the college division (D2 & D3) being excluded from future NCAA Division I tournaments? Gray Simons won 7- 4 NAIA 3 NCAA. Officially it was the NCAA realizing no other sport gave 2 bites at the apple. But I wouldn't be surprised Haselrig prompted the thought process. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPhillips Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 1 hour ago, blueandgold said: I hardly hear his name in discussion for best heavyweights or wrestlers overall. He's discussed and highly regarded amongst those who know... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHROMEBIRD Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Interesting stuff with Haselrig and Simons. As a side note, this and many other recent threads are usually chatter for the offseason. Why so much of it now? Is everyone bored with the dual season or what? No hate on the OP or this discussion or the others of course, just something I noticed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPhillips Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 1 minute ago, CHROMEBIRD said: this and many other recent threads are usually chatter for the offseason. New folks and the, "Jimmies" of the board... 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueandgold Posted January 22 Author Share Posted January 22 51 minutes ago, MPhillips said: New folks and the, "Jimmies" of the board... Far from a Jimmy Cinnabon. I just decided to be more active on here and bring all of my usual topics from https://www.indianamat.com to InterMat. However, it’s met with mixed reception as I guess college board observers don’t really care about historical discussion and comparisons between generations. I just ask those kinds of questions because I’m trying to up my knowledge of wrestling on the collegiate level. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southend Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 59 minutes ago, CHROMEBIRD said: Interesting stuff with Haselrig and Simons. As a side note, this and many other recent threads are usually chatter for the offseason. Why so much of it now? Is everyone bored with the dual season or what? No hate on the OP or this discussion or the others of course, just something I noticed. Duals and dual season don’t mean anything now. Just posturing fodder for the real event in March. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPhillips Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 6 minutes ago, blueandgold said: Far from a Jimmy Cinnabon. I just decided to be more active on here and bring all of my usual topics from https://www.indianamat.com to InterMat. I wasn't comparing you to Jimmy. I specifically wrote, "new folks." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHROMEBIRD Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 3 minutes ago, Southend said: Duals and dual season don’t mean anything now. Just posturing fodder for the real event in March. But what will we talk about during the actual offseason? I guess it's an election and Olympic year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southend Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 4 minutes ago, CHROMEBIRD said: But what will we talk about during the actual offseason? I guess it's an election and Olympic year... Election lol , where’s Hillary (Waldo)! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 25 minutes ago, blueandgold said: Far from a Jimmy Cinnabon. I just decided to be more active on here and bring all of my usual topics from https://www.indianamat.com to InterMat. However, it’s met with mixed reception as I guess college board observers don’t really care about historical discussion and comparisons between generations. I just ask those kinds of questions because I’m trying to up my knowledge of wrestling on the collegiate level. Welcome. I came over from indianamat too. 3 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPhillips Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 2 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said: Welcome. I came over from indianamat too. I spent some time there myself... 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerDurden Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 If you haven't spent time on IndianaMat.com are you a true American? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Elite Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 4 minutes ago, TylerDurden said: If you haven't spent time on IndianaMat.com are you a true American? Yes 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 15 minutes ago, TylerDurden said: If you haven't spent time on IndianaMat.com are you a true American? How I feel every time I post on indianamat 1 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim L Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 3 hours ago, blueandgold said: He’s the only six-time NCAA champion in college wrestling history and yet I hardly hear his name in discussion for best heavyweights or wrestlers overall. I’m also curious to know, is his success the reason for the college division (D2 & D3) being excluded from future NCAA Division I tournaments? I think he his held in lower regard because he was not able to to make the US national team and had no international accomplishments. Not passing judgment whether this is fair or not, but I dont think he was ever very high on the US ladder. He pursued a football career because he had no path to continue as a wrestler. Kole Conrad is similar in this regard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
11986 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 30 minutes ago, Jim L said: I think he his held in lower regard because he was not able to to make the US national team and had no international accomplishments. Not passing judgment whether this is fair or not, but I dont think he was ever very high on the US ladder. He pursued a football career because he had no path to continue as a wrestler. Kole Conrad is similar in this regard He did go the football route pretty quickly after college iirc. He might have made more of a mark freestyle wise if he had stuck with it. Of course, Big Bruce was there, and Erickson was no slouch either so it would have been a hard road. RIP Carlton Haselrig 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lu_alum Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 (edited) 2 hours ago, Jim L said: I think he his held in lower regard because he was not able to to make the US national team and had no international accomplishments. Not passing judgment whether this is fair or not, but I dont think he was ever very high on the US ladder. He pursued a football career because he had no path to continue as a wrestler. Kole Conrad is similar in this regard EDIT: I originally quoted Haselrig's wiki page without checking. Not sure if the following is accurate, "Haselrig was the 1985 Junior Greco-Roman World Champion, and the 1986 Junior Freestyle World Champion, while competing for the United States in the heavyweight division." Edited January 22 by lu_alum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antitroll2828 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 1 hour ago, lu_alum said: EDIT: I originally quoted Haselrig's wiki page without checking. Not sure if the following is accurate, "Haselrig was the 1985 Junior Greco-Roman World Champion, and the 1986 Junior Freestyle World Champion, while competing for the United States in the heavyweight division." It is accurate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antitroll2828 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 (edited) 7 hours ago, blueandgold said: He’s the only six-time NCAA champion in college wrestling history and yet I hardly hear his name in discussion for best heavyweights or wrestlers overall. I’m also curious to know, is his success the reason for the college division (D2 & D3) being excluded from future NCAA Division I tournaments? I read his book Giant Killer years ago and walked wondering why he isn’t more well known but it’s probably mostly due to a few things 1 being he went the nfl route , 2 him being a recluse for long periods (he literally would disappear for weeks on end , cost him his job with the Steelers) and 3 later on developed an alcohol and drug problem and had some trouble with the law. To his credit he did get clean but he just didn’t seem to want the spotlight I think all those factors are why he’s forgotten or an afterthought compared to other heavies and yes I believe he is the main reason why they stopped letting d2 and D3 compete , I know some big time coaches were at the forefront of that change as well i actually had a thread similar to this on the old board years ago Edited January 23 by Antitroll2828 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lu_alum Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 (edited) 3 hours ago, Antitroll2828 said: It is accurate I only went back to edit my post because my search resulted in this... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Cadet,_Junior,_and_Espoir_World_Champions_in_men's_freestyle_wrestling Edited January 23 by lu_alum 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim L Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 8 hours ago, lu_alum said: I only went back to edit my post because my search resulted in this... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Cadet,_Junior,_and_Espoir_World_Champions_in_men's_freestyle_wrestling LOL. I went down the same rabbit hole and spent too much time looking at Wikipedia. I did notice that the lack of results theUS had for about 20 years and the recent outstanding results,. Bodes well for the future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interviewed_at_Weehawken Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 16 hours ago, TylerDurden said: If you haven't spent time on IndianaMat.com are you a true American? or a true Iranian? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interviewed_at_Weehawken Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 16 hours ago, Jim L said: I think he his held in lower regard because he was not able to to make the US national team and had no international accomplishments. Not passing judgment whether this is fair or not, but I dont think he was ever very high on the US ladder. He pursued a football career because he had no path to continue as a wrestler. Kole Conrad is similar in this regard I think 4th in Olympic Trials prior to playing in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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