Jump to content
  • Playwire Ad Area

The Government can’t give someone something without first taking it from someone else


Recommended Posts

3 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

I did not make the social contract argument. No one can match your gas tank when it comes to being wrong.

Ummmmm you said the social contract we agree to is to buy things we need.  Your words.   

  • Haha 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

6 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

I did not make the social contract argument. No one can match your gas tank when it comes to being wrong.

Usually when people like you tell everyone else they’re wrong it means……. We’ll you can figure it out 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

8 hours ago, ThreePointTakedown said:

That's not at all how the tax system works. That is dishonest to insinuate that this fictional story applies to everyone or anyone. 

That it might make you feel better to think that people are stealing from you is not indicative of reality.  That others get riled up about your story is not evidence of its truthfulness. The social contract is that we agree to pay for the things we need. Some pay more because they have benefited the most. We vote for people to make those decisions. If you want to change something, convince me without making appeals to emotion. 

You know that a very small number of rich people 'steal' WAY more of your tax dollars then all the poor combined? Why not tell a story about that? 

Who’s we??  And what exactly do we need ?  

Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

Hint: You just quoted the post from the person who did say it, dumb dumb.

I’m so sorry. I forgot which WOKER I was talking to. Bahahhahahaha

Edited by JimmyBT
Link to comment
Share on other sites

11 hours ago, JimmyBT said:

Who’s we??  And what exactly do we need ?  

We = society(this shouldn't be too controversial) 

Need = things we agree we can't live without(this is a topic for debate, I'm sure)

As I have mentioned in previous discussions, maybe not with you, but at some periods in our history groups were kept from those conversations(who we allow as members of our society and with what benefits, and what they feel is needed). Those groups had their options to advance and prosper taken or significantly hobbled by those of privilege. Now it is our job to acknowledge those actions and deeds and try to make up for them.

Our culture needs to change so as to include their voices in these conversations. Does it mean that some, who have benefitted from privilege, will see their advantages trimmed a bit? I hope so. Will they be upset about it? Probably(who likes changing the rules of a game you're clearly winning?). Will it end up helping, even the privileged, in the end? Fingers crossed. If it doesn't? I give as much thought to the privilege surviving and thriving, in a new and different political/economic environment, as they have given to the poorest and least privileged. Which is to say not much. 

Different countries, that aren't so hung up on their own meritless exceptionalism(or at least have started coming to terms with their mistakes and have worked to address them), religious fervor(which is pretty toxic if you ask me), or maintaining a cast system(and we, very much, do) have done some interesting things with regards to health care, education, and international relations. In many ways catching and surpassing us in all of those categories. Cue opening monologue from the News Room. It may hurt to admit but we might not be as great a country as we were told when we believed in other sensational things, like Santa. 

Hope this helps to clarify. 

But ya, their explanation of the tax system is wrong. Former Labor Secretary (youtube vid of him explaining where your tax dollars go) Feel free to watch his other videos, they're good and informative. From someone who has experience in the field. If you want to include links to pages or videos that disagree or present contrary info, please add. I would love to learn. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

6 minutes ago, ThreePointTakedown said:

We = society(this shouldn't be too controversial) 

Need = things we agree we can't live without(this is a topic for debate, I'm sure)

As I have mentioned in previous discussions, maybe not with you, but at some periods in our history groups were kept from those conversations(who we allow as members of our society and with what benefits, and what they feel is needed). Those groups had their options to advance and prosper taken or significantly hobbled by those of privilege. Now it is our job to acknowledge those actions and deeds and try to make up for them.

Our culture needs to change so as to include their voices in these conversations. Does it mean that some, who have benefitted from privilege, will see their advantages trimmed a bit? I hope so. Will they be upset about it? Probably(who likes changing the rules of a game you're clearly winning?). Will it end up helping, even the privileged, in the end? Fingers crossed. If it doesn't? I give as much thought to the privilege surviving and thriving, in a new and different political/economic environment, as they have given to the poorest and least privileged. Which is to say not much. 

Different countries, that aren't so hung up on their own meritless exceptionalism(or at least have started coming to terms with their mistakes and have worked to address them), religious fervor(which is pretty toxic if you ask me), or maintaining a cast system(and we, very much, do) have done some interesting things with regards to health care, education, and international relations. In many ways catching and surpassing us in all of those categories. Cue opening monologue from the News Room. It may hurt to admit but we might not be as great a country as we were told when we believed in other sensational things, like Santa. 

Hope this helps to clarify. 

But ya, their explanation of the tax system is wrong. Former Labor Secretary (youtube vid of him explaining where your tax dollars go) Feel free to watch his other videos, they're good and informative. From someone who has experience in the field. If you want to include links to pages or videos that disagree or present contrary info, please add. I would love to learn. 

So in this country “we” means anyone here??  Citizen or not? I think this is a fair and simple question. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

7 minutes ago, JimmyBT said:

So in this country “we” means anyone here??  Citizen or not? I think this is a fair and simple question. 

Yes. They are allowed to have an opinion on what could be improved upon.

Should they not be included in a conversation? Why or why not?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

22 minutes ago, ThreePointTakedown said:

We = society(this shouldn't be too controversial) 

Need = things we agree we can't live without(this is a topic for debate, I'm sure)

As I have mentioned in previous discussions, maybe not with you, but at some periods in our history groups were kept from those conversations(who we allow as members of our society and with what benefits, and what they feel is needed). Those groups had their options to advance and prosper taken or significantly hobbled by those of privilege. Now it is our job to acknowledge those actions and deeds and try to make up for them.

Our culture needs to change so as to include their voices in these conversations. Does it mean that some, who have benefitted from privilege, will see their advantages trimmed a bit? I hope so. Will they be upset about it? Probably(who likes changing the rules of a game you're clearly winning?). Will it end up helping, even the privileged, in the end? Fingers crossed. If it doesn't? I give as much thought to the privilege surviving and thriving, in a new and different political/economic environment, as they have given to the poorest and least privileged. Which is to say not much. 

Different countries, that aren't so hung up on their own meritless exceptionalism(or at least have started coming to terms with their mistakes and have worked to address them), religious fervor(which is pretty toxic if you ask me), or maintaining a cast system(and we, very much, do) have done some interesting things with regards to health care, education, and international relations. In many ways catching and surpassing us in all of those categories. Cue opening monologue from the News Room. It may hurt to admit but we might not be as great a country as we were told when we believed in other sensational things, like Santa. 

Hope this helps to clarify. 

But ya, their explanation of the tax system is wrong. Former Labor Secretary (youtube vid of him explaining where your tax dollars go) Feel free to watch his other videos, they're good and informative. From someone who has experience in the field. If you want to include links to pages or videos that disagree or present contrary info, please add. I would love to learn. 

It’s always interesting to me when people say we aren’t as great as we think we and other countries are better.  There a million people a year (that’s the legal ones) trying to get into and America and away from those other countries.  Then add in what’s happening illegally.  Why would that be if it’s not that great here?? 
 

as for the tax system: we already have just under half of the population (those eligible to pay) that doesn’t pay any federal income tax.  

Edited by JimmyBT
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Just now, ThreePointTakedown said:

Yes. They are allowed to have an opinion on what could be improved upon.

Should they not be included in a conversation? Why or why not?

They’re not citizens.  So no. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Just now, JimmyBT said:

Why shouldn’t they be?  Become a legal citizen and you can have all the say you want. 

I just want to make sure I understand your position. They should only have their opinions heard or considered if they are a citizen of this country. Why should we not take their opinions into account? Might they have some ideas that could work, here?

Should people with work or school visas be heard in conversations like these?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, ThreePointTakedown said:

I just want to make sure I understand your position. They should only have their opinions heard or considered if they are a citizen of this country. Why should we not take their opinions into account? Might they have some ideas that could work, here?

Should people with work or school visas be heard in conversations like these?

Unless they’re here legally. No. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
  • Playwire Ad Area



  • Playwire Ad Area
  • Latest Rankings

  • College Commitments

    Adam Mattin

    Delta, Ohio
    Class of 2025
    Committed to Stanford
    Projected Weight: 125, 133

    Grant Stromberg

    Mukwonago, Wisconsin
    Class of 2024
    Committed to Northern Iowa
    Projected Weight: 285

    Hudson Ward

    Canton, Pennsylvania
    Class of 2024
    Committed to Lock Haven
    Projected Weight: 165

    Alex Reed

    Shikellamy, Pennsylvania
    Class of 2024
    Committed to Lock Haven
    Projected Weight: 125

    Darren Florance

    Harpursville, New York
    Class of 2024
    Committed to Lock Haven
    Projected Weight: 125
  • Playwire Ad Area
×
×
  • Create New...