Creeps in the wrestling community - What can we do about it?

[Idaho]

Suddenly we have a lot of new posters making their first posts on this thread.... Probably should freeze new membership for a while...or maybe take your time approving. @BobDole

[nick]

13 hours ago, commonsense2400 said:

Youtube selects a few video frames at random and those are the choices.

You can upload your own custom thumbnail in addition to the suggested frames

https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/72431?hl=en&co=GENIE.Platform%3DDesktop&oco=0

[Ohio Elite]

3 minutes ago, Idaho said:

Suddenly we have a lot of new posters making their first posts on this thread.... Probably should freeze new membership for a while...or maybe take your time approving. @BobDole

I noticed the same thing...

[BAC]

14 hours ago, commonsense2400 said:

Youtube doesn't allow people to pick any frame they want. 

Why do you keep saying this?  Surely you know it isn't true:

https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/72431

If you are going to try to intimidate people with accusations of defamation, you might want to make sure your own posts are truthful.

You also may want to educate your client on Youtube's Community Guidelines policy against sexualization of minors:

https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2801999

Note that, per the first link, thumbnail selections must conform to these Community Guidelines as well.

To all:

I would encourage you to likewise review the above Community Guidelines on Youtube regarding the prohibition of sexualization of minors and, if you believe in good faith that a given Youtube video crosses the line as articulated in these standards, irrespective of who posted it, report it here:

https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2802027

I would encourage you to use discretion in reporting.  Obviously it needs to be more than a kid in a singlet in wrestling match.  IMO, casting too broad a net or penalizing high-end videography is not good for the sport.  Step back, be objective, be fair, and don't report it unless it is "sexually suggestive" within the meaning of the published policy.  But if it is:  do your part and report it.

Per Youtube guidelines, if they agree, the video will be removed and the Youtuber will get a "strike."

The policy also says:  "If you get 3 strikes within 90 days, your channel will be terminated."

It also says that violations will be reported to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children.

Edited January 3 by BAC

[Team America]

5 hours ago, Husker_Du said:

then why were they all changed (for a while) after i asked him about it?

and why are they all now back to suggestive images? 

@BobDole consider zapping this dude. 

No don’t do that, we want him in here to see how far he pushes this, “I’m not the guy I just want to protect the guy” charade! 

[Team America]

5 hours ago, Idaho said:

Suddenly we have a lot of new posters making their first posts on this thread.... Probably should freeze new membership for a while...or maybe take your time approving. @BobDole

But they are all full of “common sense” haha! 
 

 

[pokemonster]

1 hour ago, Team America said:

No don’t do that, we want him in here to see how far he pushes this, “I’m not the guy I just want to protect the guy” charade! 

That's what I'm thinking. Let them dig their own grave by oversharing!

[scourge165]

On 1/2/2024 at 6:42 PM, commonsense2400 said:

Mods, delete this account and report the ip and email address to New Jersey law enforcement immediately for investigation into possible threats of illegal violence. This conduct may constitute a crime under New Jersey law and this site may be aiding and abetting if it allows it to continue.
 

NJ Rev Stat § 2C:33-4.1 (2022)
2C:33-4.1 Crime of cyber-harassment.

1. a. A person commits the crime of cyber-harassment if, while making one or more communications in an online capacity via any electronic device or through a social networking site and with the purpose to harass another, the person:

(1) threatens to inflict injury or physical harm to any person or the property of any person

He's threatening child predators. 

Why the hell would anyone be bothered by that unless...they were maybe the one who might end up getting hurt?

See...I don't read someone saying, "I'm gonna beat the shit out of this child abuser," and think, "oh shit, he's threatening me!" You're kinda telling on yourself with this one. 

 

I'm still not sure about all this. But dude, you seem like you're him and you're justifying shit that shouldn't be justified, you're making him more unlikeable and you're making "him" sound even more sleazy. 

 

Also, you're not doing a very good job of hiding that you are him. 

[commonsense2400]

On 12/30/2023 at 2:25 PM, Jason Bryant said:

Nothing about this topic is about the quality of the video.

Jason Bryant. It's time for you to show your moral leadership as president of your very own media association and to be called to account for your tenure.

Is your title of President of the National Wrestling Media Association associated with any external duties or responsibilities, or is it an honorific title that does not require you to do anything? Do you believe threatening people with illegal violence is lawful and acceptable? Do you believe that any of the thumbnails at these links used by Tony to promote his photo albums of boys are pedophilic or suggestive?  

https://tonyrotundo.smugmug.com/WRESTLERS-ARE-WARRIORS/High-School-Wrestling/WALSH-IRONMAN-ALL/21-WALSH-IRONMAN
https://tonyrotundo.smugmug.com/WRESTLERS-ARE-WARRIORS/High-School-Wrestling/SUPER-32/2022-S32/SUNDAY
https://tonyrotundo.smugmug.com/WRESTLERS-ARE-WARRIORS/High-School-Wrestling/CA-STATE-CSHIPS-ALL
https://tonyrotundo.smugmug.com/WRESTLERS-ARE-WARRIORS/High-School-Wrestling/DOC-B-TOURNEY-ALL

If not, what is the difference between his thumbnails and the thumbnails YouTube selects for Gharavi and Kramer?  (You called Kramer's thumbnails "suggestive screen shots"). Are you aware that YouTube limits the available screenshots a channel owner can select to a few random frames selected by YouTube, whereas Smugmug allows the owner to select any photo in the album? Do you believe Tony's promotional thumbnail showing the backside of a bent over boy in a photo of another boy whose legs are spread open is an appropriate choice given the alternatives from the same album? If so, why is it appropriate but Gharavi's and Kramer's thumbnails are inappropriate? Do you consider Tony's promotional thumbnail showing a boy wrestler grabbing another boy wrestler's crotch to be "suggestive?" If not, why is it different from Kramer's or Gharavi's thumbnails? Do you think it is appropriate to promote photos with a thumbnail of a boy wrestler in black and white with his body contours brightly lit up? If so, why is a normal video still frame randomly selected by YouTube inappropriate?  Do you believe it is pedophilic or inappropriate to use a thumbnail of a boy wrestler standing up, and if so, are Tony's thumbnails of boy wrestlers standing up pedophilic or inappropriate? At any time, have you asked Tony to change thumbnails? Have you issued any advisories warning people not to credential Tony? Have you reported Tony to law enforcement? Have you reported Tony to SafeSport? To your knowledge, is Tony heterosexual, homosexual, or something else? Do you treat wrestling media people differently on the basis of sex, sexual orientation, or gender identity? Do you treat wrestling media people differently on the basis of their economic relationship to or competition with FLOsports? Do you believe that people who think wrestling photos and videos like Tony's are inherently sexual or sexualized are not representative of majority consensus? 

According to the @iawrestle Instagram, its videos of boy and girl wrestlers have received, in some cases, over a hundred of thousand views each. For example, this video shows a young boy in a singlet, jumping up and down, not wrestling, and has 137K views:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C0ZmHjYrWCf/

This video of a boy wrestling has a slow motion sequence of the boy walking with his crotch easily visible, and it has 37K views:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C04rMeavhBE/

Do you believe these videos constitute child porn, sexualization of minors, or that they "violated sports media decorum?" If not, why are they different from Kramer's or Gharavi's videos? Do you think IAwrestle is complicit in the sexualization of minors? Do you think IAwrestle cooperates with porn sites to boost its views? Why do you think its view counts are so high? Are any of the thumbnails for any of its videos "suggestive screen shots?" If not, why are they different from thumbnails on Kramer's and Gharavi's videos? Do you think FLOsports owns the copyright to IAwrestle's videos? Do you think it is "illegal" for IAwrestle to post videos that it shoots to YouTube or Instagram? Are you aware of FLOsports making any claims or allegations of copyright infringement against IAwrestle and if so what did you do in response and what was the outcome? To your knowledge, are there any people working for, owning or posting on behalf of IAwrestle who are male and not heterosexual? Have you issued any advisories warning people not to credential IAwrestle? Have you reported IAwrestle to law enforcement? Have you reported it to SafeSport? Do you treat wrestling media people differently on the basis of sex, sexual orientation, or gender identity? Is it accurate that during your tenure as an officer of the National Wrestling Media Association, 100% of the do not credential advisories it published have been about men you suspect are not heterosexual? Is it accurate that during your tenure as an officer of the National Wrestling Media Association, 100% of the do not credential advisories it published have been made following a copyright infringement allegation by FLOsports?  

In your advisory about Kramer, you wrote, "A prominent wrestling broadcaster has brought to the attention of the National Wrestling Media Association officers that you own a YouTube Channel... They have asked us to participate in an investigation of your channel for potential copyright violations" and "It has come to the attention of the National Wrestling Media Association... video taping wrestling matches and posting them illegally on a personal YouTube channel over the course of several years." 

Is everything you said in the advisory true? Was the "prominent wrestling broadcaster" FLOsports? Why did you conceal the identity of FLOsports in the advisory? Why did you conceal the identity of FLOsports in your letter to Kramer? Did you not know until told by FLOsports that Kramer operated a popular YouTube channel for "several years," hosting videos shared by school media departments, athletes, parents, and many people inside the sport of wrestling? Were you the President of the National Wrestling Media Association during any of those "several years?" Did the NWMA nominate Kramer for its Photographer of the Year award before you became aware of his YouTube? In nominating him, did you ever check his websites, social media, references, or anything to ascertain what content he creates, where it was hosted, or what it was? Did you interview him and ask him what he does? What law says it is illegal for someone to post his own videos on YouTube? Cite it. If there is no such law, do you believe you committed criminal defamation as defined in the penal code of the State of Minnesota, where you live?

You wrote, "The rights holder was ready to file copyright claims against the channel..." and "it is abundantly clear that the content contains... videos... are an egregious violation of copyright laws when posted to YouTube"

What law says that FLOsports owns the copyright to videos created by Kramer? Cite the exact statute. Do you believe sports are a matter subject to copyright? Who do you believe owns the copyright to videos a person creates? What "laws" exactly were violated? Cite the statutes. If you cannot prove what laws were violated, do you believe that you committed criminal defamation as defined in the penal code of the State of Minnesota, where you live?

You wrote, "The following was issued to Mr. Kramer by this organization (twice)..." and "it was marked private. It was taken back online several weeks later, then taken back to private again."

Do you believe that making a successful threat based on a false and fraudulent copyright claim is extortion? Do you believe that an organization committing extortion "twice" at different times constitutes racketeering under the RICO Act or other racketeering statutes? Were you investigated by law enforcement for defamation, extortion, and/or racketeering, or any other cause in connection with this advisory and if so what was the outcome? Did you act alone or with the approval of other board members of the NWMA? During any of the time that the letter was issued to Kramer (twice), did an employee of FLOsports, Richard Immel, sit on the board of the NWMA? Do you believe that having its employee sitting on the NWMA board during these events caused FLOsports to be a racketeer influenced and corrupt organization? Do you believe it created a conflict of interest? Do you believe it is appropriate for a for profit corporation to sit on the board of a nonprofit watchdog and advocacy association? Why did FLOsports not make a copyright claim during this period despite the YouTube channel being active? Why did you get involved instead of telling FLOsports to handle its own business as a for profit company having in-house legal counsel, rather than using the NWMA to allege "violation of copyright laws" on its behalf and tell people not to credential Kramer? Do you think FLOsports had higher profits because of your actions? Who told you that it is illegal to post videos on YouTube, that FLOsports owns the copyright to videos shot by Kramer, that Kramer violated copyright laws, and what laws those were? Did you consult with an attorney before sending the letter to Kramer and before publishing the advisory, or was this all a DIY legal advocacy project on your part? Do you threaten, extort or engage in racketeering targeting other people? Did Richard Immel, as an employee of FLOsports, comment on any matter of legal substance, and if so do you consider that to be criminal unlicensed practice of law?

You wrote, "Mr. Kramer was issued credentials as a still photographer, and had not applied for the rights to capture video and upload that content on YouTube"

How do you know this? Did you get a copy of his credential application to every single event he ever shot video at over "several years?" How did you do that? How do you know what events he applied to? Do you have copies of all the agreements that he received in response to the applications? Do you still have copies of all of them? What about events that don't issue credentials but have a more informal arrangement? Are you aware that people naturally have rights to shoot video in places open to the public unless they waive that right as an expressly stated condition of entry and that the right can be restored by implied consent? What is it about YouTube that affects video rights, as opposed to any other platform or outlet? Given that schools shared his videos on social media and other outlets, do you think it is plausible that they refused him permission to shoot the very same videos? Is your statement meant to imply or allege that Kramer committed trespass at several events over several years? If your statement was not absolutely true, do you believe that you committed criminal defamation as defined in the penal code of the State of Minnesota, where you live?

Regarding Gharavi:

When did you first know that Gharavi operated a popular YouTube channel for several years? Were you the President of the National Wrestling Media Association during any of those several years? When did you first decide that there was suspicious content on the YouTube channel? Was this before or after a gang of employees at FLOsports decided that FLOsports owns the copyright to Gharavi's videos? Given that at least one FLOsports employee has confessed that his gang made a failed copyright infringement claim of ownership of Gharavi's videos, do you believe that FLOsports owns the copyright to Gharavi's videos? Why do you think the claim failed? Did you explain that to FLOsports? Did you do anything to protect Gharavi from a false and fraudulent claim? Do you rely on FLOsports to instruct you on copyright law, or do you have an attorney or other advisor? Have you ever told FLOsports that any copyright claim against anyone is false? Have you ever known it to make any false copyright claim and, if so, what did you do to protect the victim?

Regarding yourself:

What are the dates of your tenure as a board member or officer of the National Wrestling Media Association? What do you do in wrestling media that qualifies you to be a member of the NWMA? Do you publish a wrestling podcast on YouTube? Does it have 520 followers? Are these the view counts of your podcast videos: 2, 1, 8, 7, 47, 10, 4, 19, 15, 80, 37, 140, 9, 13, 22, 33, 77, 42, 32, 28, 66, 16, 16, 7? Do you think that having 7 views on a one year old podcast episode makes you a member of the wrestling media community sufficient enough to justify your membership in the NWMA and your position as president? Why do you think only one person has listened to the episode you uploaded three weeks ago? Do you operate the NWMA X/Twitter account? Does it have 590 followers? Was the last tweet posted on August 27, 2023? What do you do as President of the National Wrestling Media Association, beyond making allegations of copyright violations and illegal uploads to YouTube when FLOsports asks you to?

Regarding the NWMA:

How many new members has the NWMA added during your tenure as president? How many members does it have? On or about April 17, 2018, you told a reporter that the NWMA had "about 60 reporters, photographers and editors." Has membership grown or shrunk since that time? How many people have you directly invited to become members? How many members participate in the annual elections of officers? According to archive.org, on January 14, 2020, there were 40 members' sites listed on the NWMA homepage. Today, there are 40. Has there been zero net change in the number of this category of members? Why are some of the links to members' sites broken or leading to people who are former photographers who no longer host or create wrestling content? Why are only five colleges members? Do any of those SIDs participate in NWMA affairs? Do they even know they are members? According to archive.org, on January 14, 2020, there were 12 college members. Why did seven of them quit their membership with the NWMA? If you awarded photographer of the year to Levi Ventura last year, why is he not in the member sites list? In the prior year, did you award photographer of the year to a dead person? In the year prior to that, did you award photographer of the year to Richard Immel, who sits on the NWMA board of directors? In the year prior to that, did you award photographer of the year to Tony Rotundo, who sits on the NWMA board of directors? Would you consider your incarnation of the NWMA to be a tightly held clique (plus maybe one dead photographer)?

Your urgent consideration of this message is important. Like if you know about a scandal, doing something about it instead of doing nothing for several months until people start making death threats. Or like because a pile of stones could be ready to throw at you, too.

[1032004]

Getting paid by the word it seems?

I don’t see it in the links shared, can you clarify which photo shows a “wrestler grabbing another boy wrestler's crotch”?

 

 

[Tony Rotundo]

3 hours ago, commonsense2400 said:

Jason Bryant. It's time for you to show your moral leadership as president of your very own media association and to be called to account for your tenure.

Is your title of President of the National Wrestling Media Association associated with any external duties or responsibilities, or is it an honorific title that does not require you to do anything? Do you believe threatening people with illegal violence is lawful and acceptable? Do you believe that any of the thumbnails at these links used by Tony to promote his photo albums of boys are pedophilic or suggestive?  

https://tonyrotundo.smugmug.com/WRESTLERS-ARE-WARRIORS/High-School-Wrestling/WALSH-IRONMAN-ALL/21-WALSH-IRONMAN
https://tonyrotundo.smugmug.com/WRESTLERS-ARE-WARRIORS/High-School-Wrestling/SUPER-32/2022-S32/SUNDAY
https://tonyrotundo.smugmug.com/WRESTLERS-ARE-WARRIORS/High-School-Wrestling/CA-STATE-CSHIPS-ALL
https://tonyrotundo.smugmug.com/WRESTLERS-ARE-WARRIORS/High-School-Wrestling/DOC-B-TOURNEY-ALL

If not, what is the difference between his thumbnails and the thumbnails YouTube selects for Gharavi and Kramer?  (You called Kramer's thumbnails "suggestive screen shots"). Are you aware that YouTube limits the available screenshots a channel owner can select to a few random frames selected by YouTube, whereas Smugmug allows the owner to select any photo in the album? Do you believe Tony's promotional thumbnail showing the backside of a bent over boy in a photo of another boy whose legs are spread open is an appropriate choice given the alternatives from the same album? If so, why is it appropriate but Gharavi's and Kramer's thumbnails are inappropriate? Do you consider Tony's promotional thumbnail showing a boy wrestler grabbing another boy wrestler's crotch to be "suggestive?" If not, why is it different from Kramer's or Gharavi's thumbnails? Do you think it is appropriate to promote photos with a thumbnail of a boy wrestler in black and white with his body contours brightly lit up? If so, why is a normal video still frame randomly selected by YouTube inappropriate?  Do you believe it is pedophilic or inappropriate to use a thumbnail of a boy wrestler standing up, and if so, are Tony's thumbnails of boy wrestlers standing up pedophilic or inappropriate? At any time, have you asked Tony to change thumbnails? Have you issued any advisories warning people not to credential Tony? Have you reported Tony to law enforcement? Have you reported Tony to SafeSport? To your knowledge, is Tony heterosexual, homosexual, or something else? Do you treat wrestling media people differently on the basis of sex, sexual orientation, or gender identity? Do you treat wrestling media people differently on the basis of their economic relationship to or competition with FLOsports? Do you believe that people who think wrestling photos and videos like Tony's are inherently sexual or sexualized are not representative of majority consensus? 

According to the @iawrestle Instagram, its videos of boy and girl wrestlers have received, in some cases, over a hundred of thousand views each. For example, this video shows a young boy in a singlet, jumping up and down, not wrestling, and has 137K views:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C0ZmHjYrWCf/

This video of a boy wrestling has a slow motion sequence of the boy walking with his crotch easily visible, and it has 37K views:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C04rMeavhBE/

Do you believe these videos constitute child porn, sexualization of minors, or that they "violated sports media decorum?" If not, why are they different from Kramer's or Gharavi's videos? Do you think IAwrestle is complicit in the sexualization of minors? Do you think IAwrestle cooperates with porn sites to boost its views? Why do you think its view counts are so high? Are any of the thumbnails for any of its videos "suggestive screen shots?" If not, why are they different from thumbnails on Kramer's and Gharavi's videos? Do you think FLOsports owns the copyright to IAwrestle's videos? Do you think it is "illegal" for IAwrestle to post videos that it shoots to YouTube or Instagram? Are you aware of FLOsports making any claims or allegations of copyright infringement against IAwrestle and if so what did you do in response and what was the outcome? To your knowledge, are there any people working for, owning or posting on behalf of IAwrestle who are male and not heterosexual? Have you issued any advisories warning people not to credential IAwrestle? Have you reported IAwrestle to law enforcement? Have you reported it to SafeSport? Do you treat wrestling media people differently on the basis of sex, sexual orientation, or gender identity? Is it accurate that during your tenure as an officer of the National Wrestling Media Association, 100% of the do not credential advisories it published have been about men you suspect are not heterosexual? Is it accurate that during your tenure as an officer of the National Wrestling Media Association, 100% of the do not credential advisories it published have been made following a copyright infringement allegation by FLOsports?  

In your advisory about Kramer, you wrote, "A prominent wrestling broadcaster has brought to the attention of the National Wrestling Media Association officers that you own a YouTube Channel... They have asked us to participate in an investigation of your channel for potential copyright violations" and "It has come to the attention of the National Wrestling Media Association... video taping wrestling matches and posting them illegally on a personal YouTube channel over the course of several years." 

Is everything you said in the advisory true? Was the "prominent wrestling broadcaster" FLOsports? Why did you conceal the identity of FLOsports in the advisory? Why did you conceal the identity of FLOsports in your letter to Kramer? Did you not know until told by FLOsports that Kramer operated a popular YouTube channel for "several years," hosting videos shared by school media departments, athletes, parents, and many people inside the sport of wrestling? Were you the President of the National Wrestling Media Association during any of those "several years?" Did the NWMA nominate Kramer for its Photographer of the Year award before you became aware of his YouTube? In nominating him, did you ever check his websites, social media, references, or anything to ascertain what content he creates, where it was hosted, or what it was? Did you interview him and ask him what he does? What law says it is illegal for someone to post his own videos on YouTube? Cite it. If there is no such law, do you believe you committed criminal defamation as defined in the penal code of the State of Minnesota, where you live?

You wrote, "The rights holder was ready to file copyright claims against the channel..." and "it is abundantly clear that the content contains... videos... are an egregious violation of copyright laws when posted to YouTube"

What law says that FLOsports owns the copyright to videos created by Kramer? Cite the exact statute. Do you believe sports are a matter subject to copyright? Who do you believe owns the copyright to videos a person creates? What "laws" exactly were violated? Cite the statutes. If you cannot prove what laws were violated, do you believe that you committed criminal defamation as defined in the penal code of the State of Minnesota, where you live?

You wrote, "The following was issued to Mr. Kramer by this organization (twice)..." and "it was marked private. It was taken back online several weeks later, then taken back to private again."

Do you believe that making a successful threat based on a false and fraudulent copyright claim is extortion? Do you believe that an organization committing extortion "twice" at different times constitutes racketeering under the RICO Act or other racketeering statutes? Were you investigated by law enforcement for defamation, extortion, and/or racketeering, or any other cause in connection with this advisory and if so what was the outcome? Did you act alone or with the approval of other board members of the NWMA? During any of the time that the letter was issued to Kramer (twice), did an employee of FLOsports, Richard Immel, sit on the board of the NWMA? Do you believe that having its employee sitting on the NWMA board during these events caused FLOsports to be a racketeer influenced and corrupt organization? Do you believe it created a conflict of interest? Do you believe it is appropriate for a for profit corporation to sit on the board of a nonprofit watchdog and advocacy association? Why did FLOsports not make a copyright claim during this period despite the YouTube channel being active? Why did you get involved instead of telling FLOsports to handle its own business as a for profit company having in-house legal counsel, rather than using the NWMA to allege "violation of copyright laws" on its behalf and tell people not to credential Kramer? Do you think FLOsports had higher profits because of your actions? Who told you that it is illegal to post videos on YouTube, that FLOsports owns the copyright to videos shot by Kramer, that Kramer violated copyright laws, and what laws those were? Did you consult with an attorney before sending the letter to Kramer and before publishing the advisory, or was this all a DIY legal advocacy project on your part? Do you threaten, extort or engage in racketeering targeting other people? Did Richard Immel, as an employee of FLOsports, comment on any matter of legal substance, and if so do you consider that to be criminal unlicensed practice of law?

You wrote, "Mr. Kramer was issued credentials as a still photographer, and had not applied for the rights to capture video and upload that content on YouTube"

How do you know this? Did you get a copy of his credential application to every single event he ever shot video at over "several years?" How did you do that? How do you know what events he applied to? Do you have copies of all the agreements that he received in response to the applications? Do you still have copies of all of them? What about events that don't issue credentials but have a more informal arrangement? Are you aware that people naturally have rights to shoot video in places open to the public unless they waive that right as an expressly stated condition of entry and that the right can be restored by implied consent? What is it about YouTube that affects video rights, as opposed to any other platform or outlet? Given that schools shared his videos on social media and other outlets, do you think it is plausible that they refused him permission to shoot the very same videos? Is your statement meant to imply or allege that Kramer committed trespass at several events over several years? If your statement was not absolutely true, do you believe that you committed criminal defamation as defined in the penal code of the State of Minnesota, where you live?

Regarding Gharavi:

When did you first know that Gharavi operated a popular YouTube channel for several years? Were you the President of the National Wrestling Media Association during any of those several years? When did you first decide that there was suspicious content on the YouTube channel? Was this before or after a gang of employees at FLOsports decided that FLOsports owns the copyright to Gharavi's videos? Given that at least one FLOsports employee has confessed that his gang made a failed copyright infringement claim of ownership of Gharavi's videos, do you believe that FLOsports owns the copyright to Gharavi's videos? Why do you think the claim failed? Did you explain that to FLOsports? Did you do anything to protect Gharavi from a false and fraudulent claim? Do you rely on FLOsports to instruct you on copyright law, or do you have an attorney or other advisor? Have you ever told FLOsports that any copyright claim against anyone is false? Have you ever known it to make any false copyright claim and, if so, what did you do to protect the victim?

Regarding yourself:

What are the dates of your tenure as a board member or officer of the National Wrestling Media Association? What do you do in wrestling media that qualifies you to be a member of the NWMA? Do you publish a wrestling podcast on YouTube? Does it have 520 followers? Are these the view counts of your podcast videos: 2, 1, 8, 7, 47, 10, 4, 19, 15, 80, 37, 140, 9, 13, 22, 33, 77, 42, 32, 28, 66, 16, 16, 7? Do you think that having 7 views on a one year old podcast episode makes you a member of the wrestling media community sufficient enough to justify your membership in the NWMA and your position as president? Why do you think only one person has listened to the episode you uploaded three weeks ago? Do you operate the NWMA X/Twitter account? Does it have 590 followers? Was the last tweet posted on August 27, 2023? What do you do as President of the National Wrestling Media Association, beyond making allegations of copyright violations and illegal uploads to YouTube when FLOsports asks you to?

Regarding the NWMA:

How many new members has the NWMA added during your tenure as president? How many members does it have? On or about April 17, 2018, you told a reporter that the NWMA had "about 60 reporters, photographers and editors." Has membership grown or shrunk since that time? How many people have you directly invited to become members? How many members participate in the annual elections of officers? According to archive.org, on January 14, 2020, there were 40 members' sites listed on the NWMA homepage. Today, there are 40. Has there been zero net change in the number of this category of members? Why are some of the links to members' sites broken or leading to people who are former photographers who no longer host or create wrestling content? Why are only five colleges members? Do any of those SIDs participate in NWMA affairs? Do they even know they are members? According to archive.org, on January 14, 2020, there were 12 college members. Why did seven of them quit their membership with the NWMA? If you awarded photographer of the year to Levi Ventura last year, why is he not in the member sites list? In the prior year, did you award photographer of the year to a dead person? In the year prior to that, did you award photographer of the year to Richard Immel, who sits on the NWMA board of directors? In the year prior to that, did you award photographer of the year to Tony Rotundo, who sits on the NWMA board of directors? Would you consider your incarnation of the NWMA to be a tightly held clique (plus maybe one dead photographer)?

Your urgent consideration of this message is important. Like if you know about a scandal, doing something about it instead of doing nothing for several months until people start making death threats. Or like because a pile of stones could be ready to throw at you, too.

Speaking of concealed identities, Benjamin Hyles (Hylighter Photography)...That's a lot. But as they say, "Superfluity does not vitiate." 

Are you saying neither Richard nor I deserved photographer of the year? And "the dead guy" was beloved and committed his life to amplifying the sport quietly through his photography. If you're so base as to attack that, you're not selling yourself to the community very well. 

"At any time, have you asked Tony to change thumbnails?" No, but he has remarked that my nails are very well kept. 

"Have you issued any advisories warning people not to credential Tony?" Funny story...This one time, Jason issued an advisory that if I fart again in his car he's calling metro police. 

"Have you reported Tony to law enforcement?" See above. It was a close call. 

"Have you reported Tony to SafeSport?" Pourquoi? 

"To your knowledge, is Tony heterosexual, homosexual, or something else?" Oh, I'm something else, let me tell ya! At least that's what everyone says. 

[The_KC_Godfather]

Midwest Wrestle may have adjusted the thumbnails after all this.  I still see two that are inappropriate...and doing my best to give the benefit of the doubt, I'd hope he'd change these, but he still made some cash off the 82mm views he received.  I did a quick comparison of the number of views /video and followers of one of my favorite popular BBQ guys vs. Midwest Wrestle, and the numbers seem off for what he provides vs.this dudes videos. Maybe I'm wrong, and I pray that he's not a pedo, but makes me wonder.  Would be a good idea to change the thumbs....

[Wrestleknownothing]

4 hours ago, commonsense2400 said:

Jason Bryant. It's time for you to show your moral leadership as president of your very own media association and to be called to account for your tenure.

Is your title of President of the National Wrestling Media Association associated with any external duties or responsibilities, or is it an honorific title that does not require you to do anything? Do you believe threatening people with illegal violence is lawful and acceptable? Do you believe that any of the thumbnails at these links used by Tony to promote his photo albums of boys are pedophilic or suggestive?  

https://tonyrotundo.smugmug.com/WRESTLERS-ARE-WARRIORS/High-School-Wrestling/WALSH-IRONMAN-ALL/21-WALSH-IRONMAN
https://tonyrotundo.smugmug.com/WRESTLERS-ARE-WARRIORS/High-School-Wrestling/SUPER-32/2022-S32/SUNDAY
https://tonyrotundo.smugmug.com/WRESTLERS-ARE-WARRIORS/High-School-Wrestling/CA-STATE-CSHIPS-ALL
https://tonyrotundo.smugmug.com/WRESTLERS-ARE-WARRIORS/High-School-Wrestling/DOC-B-TOURNEY-ALL

If not, what is the difference between his thumbnails and the thumbnails YouTube selects for Gharavi and Kramer?  (You called Kramer's thumbnails "suggestive screen shots"). Are you aware that YouTube limits the available screenshots a channel owner can select to a few random frames selected by YouTube, whereas Smugmug allows the owner to select any photo in the album? Do you believe Tony's promotional thumbnail showing the backside of a bent over boy in a photo of another boy whose legs are spread open is an appropriate choice given the alternatives from the same album? If so, why is it appropriate but Gharavi's and Kramer's thumbnails are inappropriate? Do you consider Tony's promotional thumbnail showing a boy wrestler grabbing another boy wrestler's crotch to be "suggestive?" If not, why is it different from Kramer's or Gharavi's thumbnails? Do you think it is appropriate to promote photos with a thumbnail of a boy wrestler in black and white with his body contours brightly lit up? If so, why is a normal video still frame randomly selected by YouTube inappropriate?  Do you believe it is pedophilic or inappropriate to use a thumbnail of a boy wrestler standing up, and if so, are Tony's thumbnails of boy wrestlers standing up pedophilic or inappropriate? At any time, have you asked Tony to change thumbnails? Have you issued any advisories warning people not to credential Tony? Have you reported Tony to law enforcement? Have you reported Tony to SafeSport? To your knowledge, is Tony heterosexual, homosexual, or something else? Do you treat wrestling media people differently on the basis of sex, sexual orientation, or gender identity? Do you treat wrestling media people differently on the basis of their economic relationship to or competition with FLOsports? Do you believe that people who think wrestling photos and videos like Tony's are inherently sexual or sexualized are not representative of majority consensus? 

According to the @iawrestle Instagram, its videos of boy and girl wrestlers have received, in some cases, over a hundred of thousand views each. For example, this video shows a young boy in a singlet, jumping up and down, not wrestling, and has 137K views:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C0ZmHjYrWCf/

This video of a boy wrestling has a slow motion sequence of the boy walking with his crotch easily visible, and it has 37K views:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C04rMeavhBE/

Do you believe these videos constitute child porn, sexualization of minors, or that they "violated sports media decorum?" If not, why are they different from Kramer's or Gharavi's videos? Do you think IAwrestle is complicit in the sexualization of minors? Do you think IAwrestle cooperates with porn sites to boost its views? Why do you think its view counts are so high? Are any of the thumbnails for any of its videos "suggestive screen shots?" If not, why are they different from thumbnails on Kramer's and Gharavi's videos? Do you think FLOsports owns the copyright to IAwrestle's videos? Do you think it is "illegal" for IAwrestle to post videos that it shoots to YouTube or Instagram? Are you aware of FLOsports making any claims or allegations of copyright infringement against IAwrestle and if so what did you do in response and what was the outcome? To your knowledge, are there any people working for, owning or posting on behalf of IAwrestle who are male and not heterosexual? Have you issued any advisories warning people not to credential IAwrestle? Have you reported IAwrestle to law enforcement? Have you reported it to SafeSport? Do you treat wrestling media people differently on the basis of sex, sexual orientation, or gender identity? Is it accurate that during your tenure as an officer of the National Wrestling Media Association, 100% of the do not credential advisories it published have been about men you suspect are not heterosexual? Is it accurate that during your tenure as an officer of the National Wrestling Media Association, 100% of the do not credential advisories it published have been made following a copyright infringement allegation by FLOsports?  

In your advisory about Kramer, you wrote, "A prominent wrestling broadcaster has brought to the attention of the National Wrestling Media Association officers that you own a YouTube Channel... They have asked us to participate in an investigation of your channel for potential copyright violations" and "It has come to the attention of the National Wrestling Media Association... video taping wrestling matches and posting them illegally on a personal YouTube channel over the course of several years." 

Is everything you said in the advisory true? Was the "prominent wrestling broadcaster" FLOsports? Why did you conceal the identity of FLOsports in the advisory? Why did you conceal the identity of FLOsports in your letter to Kramer? Did you not know until told by FLOsports that Kramer operated a popular YouTube channel for "several years," hosting videos shared by school media departments, athletes, parents, and many people inside the sport of wrestling? Were you the President of the National Wrestling Media Association during any of those "several years?" Did the NWMA nominate Kramer for its Photographer of the Year award before you became aware of his YouTube? In nominating him, did you ever check his websites, social media, references, or anything to ascertain what content he creates, where it was hosted, or what it was? Did you interview him and ask him what he does? What law says it is illegal for someone to post his own videos on YouTube? Cite it. If there is no such law, do you believe you committed criminal defamation as defined in the penal code of the State of Minnesota, where you live?

You wrote, "The rights holder was ready to file copyright claims against the channel..." and "it is abundantly clear that the content contains... videos... are an egregious violation of copyright laws when posted to YouTube"

What law says that FLOsports owns the copyright to videos created by Kramer? Cite the exact statute. Do you believe sports are a matter subject to copyright? Who do you believe owns the copyright to videos a person creates? What "laws" exactly were violated? Cite the statutes. If you cannot prove what laws were violated, do you believe that you committed criminal defamation as defined in the penal code of the State of Minnesota, where you live?

You wrote, "The following was issued to Mr. Kramer by this organization (twice)..." and "it was marked private. It was taken back online several weeks later, then taken back to private again."

Do you believe that making a successful threat based on a false and fraudulent copyright claim is extortion? Do you believe that an organization committing extortion "twice" at different times constitutes racketeering under the RICO Act or other racketeering statutes? Were you investigated by law enforcement for defamation, extortion, and/or racketeering, or any other cause in connection with this advisory and if so what was the outcome? Did you act alone or with the approval of other board members of the NWMA? During any of the time that the letter was issued to Kramer (twice), did an employee of FLOsports, Richard Immel, sit on the board of the NWMA? Do you believe that having its employee sitting on the NWMA board during these events caused FLOsports to be a racketeer influenced and corrupt organization? Do you believe it created a conflict of interest? Do you believe it is appropriate for a for profit corporation to sit on the board of a nonprofit watchdog and advocacy association? Why did FLOsports not make a copyright claim during this period despite the YouTube channel being active? Why did you get involved instead of telling FLOsports to handle its own business as a for profit company having in-house legal counsel, rather than using the NWMA to allege "violation of copyright laws" on its behalf and tell people not to credential Kramer? Do you think FLOsports had higher profits because of your actions? Who told you that it is illegal to post videos on YouTube, that FLOsports owns the copyright to videos shot by Kramer, that Kramer violated copyright laws, and what laws those were? Did you consult with an attorney before sending the letter to Kramer and before publishing the advisory, or was this all a DIY legal advocacy project on your part? Do you threaten, extort or engage in racketeering targeting other people? Did Richard Immel, as an employee of FLOsports, comment on any matter of legal substance, and if so do you consider that to be criminal unlicensed practice of law?

You wrote, "Mr. Kramer was issued credentials as a still photographer, and had not applied for the rights to capture video and upload that content on YouTube"

How do you know this? Did you get a copy of his credential application to every single event he ever shot video at over "several years?" How did you do that? How do you know what events he applied to? Do you have copies of all the agreements that he received in response to the applications? Do you still have copies of all of them? What about events that don't issue credentials but have a more informal arrangement? Are you aware that people naturally have rights to shoot video in places open to the public unless they waive that right as an expressly stated condition of entry and that the right can be restored by implied consent? What is it about YouTube that affects video rights, as opposed to any other platform or outlet? Given that schools shared his videos on social media and other outlets, do you think it is plausible that they refused him permission to shoot the very same videos? Is your statement meant to imply or allege that Kramer committed trespass at several events over several years? If your statement was not absolutely true, do you believe that you committed criminal defamation as defined in the penal code of the State of Minnesota, where you live?

Regarding Gharavi:

When did you first know that Gharavi operated a popular YouTube channel for several years? Were you the President of the National Wrestling Media Association during any of those several years? When did you first decide that there was suspicious content on the YouTube channel? Was this before or after a gang of employees at FLOsports decided that FLOsports owns the copyright to Gharavi's videos? Given that at least one FLOsports employee has confessed that his gang made a failed copyright infringement claim of ownership of Gharavi's videos, do you believe that FLOsports owns the copyright to Gharavi's videos? Why do you think the claim failed? Did you explain that to FLOsports? Did you do anything to protect Gharavi from a false and fraudulent claim? Do you rely on FLOsports to instruct you on copyright law, or do you have an attorney or other advisor? Have you ever told FLOsports that any copyright claim against anyone is false? Have you ever known it to make any false copyright claim and, if so, what did you do to protect the victim?

Regarding yourself:

What are the dates of your tenure as a board member or officer of the National Wrestling Media Association? What do you do in wrestling media that qualifies you to be a member of the NWMA? Do you publish a wrestling podcast on YouTube? Does it have 520 followers? Are these the view counts of your podcast videos: 2, 1, 8, 7, 47, 10, 4, 19, 15, 80, 37, 140, 9, 13, 22, 33, 77, 42, 32, 28, 66, 16, 16, 7? Do you think that having 7 views on a one year old podcast episode makes you a member of the wrestling media community sufficient enough to justify your membership in the NWMA and your position as president? Why do you think only one person has listened to the episode you uploaded three weeks ago? Do you operate the NWMA X/Twitter account? Does it have 590 followers? Was the last tweet posted on August 27, 2023? What do you do as President of the National Wrestling Media Association, beyond making allegations of copyright violations and illegal uploads to YouTube when FLOsports asks you to?

Regarding the NWMA:

How many new members has the NWMA added during your tenure as president? How many members does it have? On or about April 17, 2018, you told a reporter that the NWMA had "about 60 reporters, photographers and editors." Has membership grown or shrunk since that time? How many people have you directly invited to become members? How many members participate in the annual elections of officers? According to archive.org, on January 14, 2020, there were 40 members' sites listed on the NWMA homepage. Today, there are 40. Has there been zero net change in the number of this category of members? Why are some of the links to members' sites broken or leading to people who are former photographers who no longer host or create wrestling content? Why are only five colleges members? Do any of those SIDs participate in NWMA affairs? Do they even know they are members? According to archive.org, on January 14, 2020, there were 12 college members. Why did seven of them quit their membership with the NWMA? If you awarded photographer of the year to Levi Ventura last year, why is he not in the member sites list? In the prior year, did you award photographer of the year to a dead person? In the year prior to that, did you award photographer of the year to Richard Immel, who sits on the NWMA board of directors? In the year prior to that, did you award photographer of the year to Tony Rotundo, who sits on the NWMA board of directors? Would you consider your incarnation of the NWMA to be a tightly held clique (plus maybe one dead photographer)?

Your urgent consideration of this message is important. Like if you know about a scandal, doing something about it instead of doing nothing for several months until people start making death threats. Or like because a pile of stones could be ready to throw at you, too.

***duck** all the way off

[1032004]

@commonsense2400, one thing I noticed in your links is that the photos you shared from Rotundo and IAWrestle were all from recent events.  Can you enlighten me as to the advantage of just now posting early season match videos from high school tournaments that happened over 2 years ago?

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

What a frightening post ( and one that I will never read.)

Edited January 5 by Interviewed_at_Weehawken

[Formally140]

my thoughts when I see “him” posting lol

 

[juniorvarsity]

The amount of views on these videos is astonishing to me. 2.9 million views on a 46kg girls match. 12 videos with over a million views. 128 videos with view counts over 100k. This is eye opening. I cannot believe the scope and scale of the popularity of these videos.

[Ohio Elite]

18 minutes ago, juniorvarsity said:

The amount of views on these videos is astonishing to me. 2.9 million views on a 46kg girls match. 12 videos with over a million views. 128 videos with view counts over 100k. This is eye opening. I cannot believe the scope and scale of the popularity of these videos.

That's just scary..

[1032004]

 

[1032004]

So basically all he’s denying is that he was the one that posted the links to porn sites

[alex1fly]

Can someone explain what this is about. I am supremely confused. 

[Yellow_Medal]

Replying to his comment (can’t find it now) about how YouTube allows you to choose video thumbnails. I have uploaded YouTube vids and I believe you can choose the upload your own option. Not saying that’s what went on, but as tech savvy as he appears I’m sure he knows this…

[flyingcement]

Just now, Yellow_Medal said:

Replying to his comment (can’t find it now) about how YouTube allows you to choose video thumbnails. I have uploaded YouTube vids and I believe you can choose the upload your own option. Not saying that’s what went on, but as tech savvy as he appears I’m sure he knows this…

Yes I have also done this.  He is willfully lying 

[PIAA_09]

For what it's worth; in my professional opinion (graphic designer and photographer...I've logged some hours in photoshop) a lot of the most egregious thumbnails seem to be, for a lack of a better word, enhanced. And yes they are all specifically selected and uploaded to be the thumbnail, half of my old job was creating YouTube thumbnails. 

[Ohio Elite]

1 hour ago, 1032004 said:

 

At least this peice of trash is feeling the heat.