Creeps in the wrestling community - What can we do about it?

[commonsense2400]

16 hours ago, Husker_Du said:

According to Kozak, his vids are uploaded/embedded on porn sites.

Additionally, i'm pretty sure they are linked on kiddie/gay porn message boards. 

and you don't get those kind of view counts without something like that.

i talked about it on a show in the spring and promptly got a call from his 'lawyer-friend' who tried telling me it was all coincidental.

i said 'is it just a coincidence that all the thumbnails are crotch shots or humping? no sprawls or leg attacks'

two days later the thumbnails were all changed. 

It's amazing how many people are confessing that they know all about child porn sites and message boards and what's on them. What is wrong with you that you even know about these sites? Why don't you report the sites to authorities to get them shut down? How are wrestling videos a problem to you but not the real child porn that you know so much about? How is it not suspicious to you that Flo discovered a bunch of child porn sites and responded with a copyright claim instead of getting child porn sites shut down? The more likely answer is he has so few videos getting embedded on sites of any kind that he leaves the embed feature on so he can catch violators and get videos taken down the normal way, if this is even happening. Anybody could download his videos and repost them and leaving embed on is a better option because it keeps some control.

Porn sites don't explain the view counts on all his videos. Youtube algorithms do. Youtube makes money by putting these videos into autoplay. That counts as a view and ad money for Youtube. It's easy to go on Youtube and let autoplay run and let several videos like these play in the background, Youtube detects that and thinks they're prime autoplay stock. His videos are the best wrestling videos, so if Youtube detects an interest in wrestling, these videos will be in the autoplay rotation. This is why some social media channels dominate and others linger and some videos go viral and others just as good never get watched. It's not about fairness or quality. Algorithms pick what's worked before and keep making it work to make money.
 

[commonsense2400]

On 1/1/2024 at 10:34 AM, Jon_Kozak said:

A few things to add here that haven't been covered:

-His videos (of minors) are embedded on porn sites 

-Many of his most viewed videos have large portions that don't feature wrestling (wrestlers walking around during injury time/blood time)

-He films and uploads videos without having permission/rights to the events

Most recently he wasn't credentialed for Midlands and filmed anyway before he got kicked out by Storniolo. 

We've tried to strike his channel for copyright infringement because that's what we can actually prove. We're still working through it but things have gotten tricky where we've had to bring in legal.

You didn't bring in legal before saying things? What says you own the copyright to somebody else's work? Who in their right mind would make legal claims and criminal allegations without checking with their company lawyers first? If your copyright claim failed, why would you say it in public without asking a lawyer why it failed and if it's safe to go public with the allegation? Flo sounds like greedy monopolists bullying competition and spreading rumors. This could be why they are usually coy and let others do the talking but this guy could be spilling the beans. 

Talk to human resources and legal fast. You could have created evidence you're targeting him for financial gain on false pretenses. Tell them what state you were in when you said all the things because defamation is a crime in some states and you may need extra legal advice.

[flyingcement]

Just now, commonsense2400 said:

You didn't bring in legal before saying things? What says you own the copyright to somebody else's work? Who in their right mind would make legal claims and criminal allegations without checking with their company lawyers first? If your copyright claim failed, why would you say it in public without asking a lawyer why it failed and if it's safe to go public with the allegation? Flo sounds like greedy monopolists bullying competition and spreading rumors. This could be why they are usually coy and let others do the talking but this guy could be spilling the beans. 

Talk to human resources and legal fast. You could have created evidence you're targeting him for financial gain on false pretenses. Tell them what state you were in when you said all the things because defamation is a crime in some states and you may need extra legal advice.

You ignored all the evidence, stated lies, and continue to defend a person who endangers children for money.  You should be investigated yourself.  

[commonsense2400]

7 hours ago, Antitroll2828 said:

Your first paragraph is exactly why predators and criminals are thriving in this country right now , literally the definition why this country has the arrow pointing straight down , you think I give a shit if I get some jail time for beating up a child predator? If this guy was doing this in Nj I was would drive straight to the arena and wait for him in a parking lot , Violence has always been and always will be the greatest deterrent towards evil men , these people don’t care about laws and laws don’t work for the victims at all in our system , he’s exploited 100s of kids and posted their images for pedos to enjoy and currently is a youth ref with access to children and you want to start the long drawn out process of changing laws (relying on politicians , half of which are current fighting to keep Epstein client list sealed) and file civil suits which go on for years and years.. the law has known about this for over a year. How many pictures have been taken and sent into the cesspool of the internet since then? How many disgusting weirdos enjoyed them since the cops were notified? Hopefully the F.B.I. does something now that they are involved but I doubt if they do it’ll be a quick and speedy process 

the greatest threat to society isn’t evil men it’s the indifference and apathy of good men 

Mods, delete this account and report the ip and email address to New Jersey law enforcement immediately for investigation into possible threats of illegal violence. This conduct may constitute a crime under New Jersey law and this site may be aiding and abetting if it allows it to continue.
 

NJ Rev Stat § 2C:33-4.1 (2022)
2C:33-4.1 Crime of cyber-harassment.

1. a. A person commits the crime of cyber-harassment if, while making one or more communications in an online capacity via any electronic device or through a social networking site and with the purpose to harass another, the person:

(1) threatens to inflict injury or physical harm to any person or the property of any person

[flyingcement]

4 minutes ago, commonsense2400 said:

Mods, delete this account and report the ip and email address to New Jersey law enforcement immediately for investigation into possible threats of illegal violence. This conduct may constitute a crime under New Jersey law and this site may be aiding and abetting if it allows it to continue.
 

NJ Rev Stat § 2C:33-4.1 (2022)
2C:33-4.1 Crime of cyber-harassment.

1. a. A person commits the crime of cyber-harassment if, while making one or more communications in an online capacity via any electronic device or through a social networking site and with the purpose to harass another, the person:

(1) threatens to inflict injury or physical harm to any person or the property of any person

You have been reported for aiding and abetting a pedophile.

[AgaveMaria]

My buddy has gone on as he has a football game to work this weekend.

As he said, NO photographer/videographer is going to give up Copyright to their images. You just won't get coverage. Newspapers and magazines won't cover the events. Apparently you can regulate who has matside access -but taking ownership of their work product? Not likely unless you are willing to pay for it.

He has photos of Dan Gable to Cael Sanderson. They are images still marketable today. If he had given up or sold copyright he would no longer have them to market He also has a ton of Indy Car, NASCAR and F1 drivers, crews and cars from when he covered it heavily. Same with Surfing and Pro boxing. They are his retirement bank. Images that he still licenses for editorial use. Many he has licensed for posters, team use and even more.

You control access, not try to take ownership.

BTW, he stopped by to do some Snowmobile photography, but we are low on snow. So he headed to Devils Lake for ice fishing images. Then East for NFL this weekend. He keeps busy.

Edited January 3 by AgaveMaria

[1032004]

3 minutes ago, commonsense2400 said:

It's amazing how many people are confessing that they know all about child porn sites and message boards and what's on them. What is wrong with you that you even know about these sites? Why don't you report the sites to authorities to get them shut down? How are wrestling videos a problem to you but not the real child porn that you know so much about? How is it not suspicious to you that Flo discovered a bunch of child porn sites and responded with a copyright claim instead of getting child porn sites shut down? The more likely answer is he has so few videos getting embedded on sites of any kind that he leaves the embed feature on so he can catch violators and get videos taken down the normal way, if this is even happening. Anybody could download his videos and repost them and leaving embed on is a better option because it keeps some control.

Porn sites don't explain the view counts on all his videos. Youtube algorithms do. Youtube makes money by putting these videos into autoplay. That counts as a view and ad money for Youtube. It's easy to go on Youtube and let autoplay run and let several videos like these play in the background, Youtube detects that and thinks they're prime autoplay stock. His videos are the best wrestling videos, so if Youtube detects an interest in wrestling, these videos will be in the autoplay rotation. This is why some social media channels dominate and others linger and some videos go viral and others just as good never get watched. It's not about fairness or quality. Algorithms pick what's worked before and keep making it work to make money.
 

I have no clue if the videos can be defined as child porn, but as Minnow has shown they’re being posted on child porn sites.  It’s not clear if the account owner is doing the posting, but being as how he’s threatened legal action, he’s aware of where his work is being shown and that other people take issue with it even though he apparently doesn’t.   Maybe he’s not breaking any laws, but the fact that he not only hasn’t taken down most of the videos, but is posting “new” ones (from some random Christmas tournament in 2021, wtf?) to me proves he’s a creep at best, probably worse.

[Jon_Kozak]

28 minutes ago, commonsense2400 said:

You didn't bring in legal before saying things? What says you own the copyright to somebody else's work? Who in their right mind would make legal claims and criminal allegations without checking with their company lawyers first? If your copyright claim failed, why would you say it in public without asking a lawyer why it failed and if it's safe to go public with the allegation? Flo sounds like greedy monopolists bullying competition and spreading rumors. This could be why they are usually coy and let others do the talking but this guy could be spilling the beans. 

Talk to human resources and legal fast. You could have created evidence you're targeting him for financial gain on false pretenses. Tell them what state you were in when you said all the things because defamation is a crime in some states and you may need extra legal advice.

Thanks for your advice. What part of my post was defamation? 

 

Also, why did you join this board two hours ago and only comment on this thread?

[commonsense2400]

3 minutes ago, Jon_Kozak said:

Thanks for your advice. What part of my post was defamation? 

 

Also, why did you join this board two hours ago and only comment on this thread?

OMG. Seriously, get on the phone with human resources and legal right now. I'm begging you. Just begging.

[1032004]

6 minutes ago, commonsense2400 said:

OMG. Seriously, get on the phone with human resources and legal right now. I'm begging you. Just begging.

Hi Nima

[Le duke]

OMG. Seriously, get on the phone with human resources and legal right now. I'm begging you. Just begging.

You’re creeping everyone out. Please leave.

And if you are one of the offending parties, please stop going to youth wrestling tournaments. The activities noted may not constitute a crime by the letter of the law but it’s pretty shitty.


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[BobDole]

Amazing that someone with the email address "@innocent.com" is posting here defending the creeps. 

[Keith Gothard]

KYLP... If youre not one you should have nothing to worry about...

[PMineo22]

9 hours ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

I'll dunk on Minnow when I please.

Curious, who weighed in on the current scumbaggery first: Pyles or Minnow? Genuinely curious.

And what does this specific case have anything to do with Minnow's fanbase in NJ?  

Keep in mind that the wording he chose was to make his disciples think "Uncle Pat" (super creepy nickname he gave himself) was real real cool.  Not to mention he used silly memes and made it all about him.

@Interviewed_at_Weehawken You are clearly an extremely jaded loser behind a burner account saying very weird things... 
 

1. Why are we dunking and trying to act like someone is trying to “take credit” for exposing a horrible person online? It is a community effort to tackle something very disturbing. No one has a “direct line” to the fbi. But they take these tips very seriously and there’s 45,000 in my forum and connections arose… Is that a bad thing? You seem to be more worried about me than the perv. 
 

2. No one “nicknamed themself” anything, the guys at McCort sent me a bunch of gear and wrote Uncle Pat on the packages and I thought it was great; the families are great people and refer to me as that, all in good fun. Again, why does that bother you? Do you have no meaningful relationships in wrestling? You made up that I came up with it, again- very weird. 

3. Who cares when and where the awareness started for that creep, it’s a community effort and so many people pitched in with info and connections as it’s a pretty serious matter. Meanwhile you’re sitting here more concerned about  assuming “my ego” has something to do with it. No, it’s the right thing to do. You just not have children. 
 

Don’t hate so hard. Every other comment is about me… It makes you look weak, I wonder who you truly are, well never know- but clearly a coward.

I’ll send flowers… 

[flyingcement]

@PMineo22 while we have you, would you mind sharing some more details on the FBI situation?  Are they investigating just midwest wrestle? or Cam Kramer too? 

[billyhoyle]

2 hours ago, commonsense2400 said:

OMG. Seriously, get on the phone with human resources and legal right now. I'm begging you. Just begging.

Hi, welcome to the message board.

[The_KC_Godfather]

Didn't read through all the comments...just the OP's post.  Sadly, there are predators out there and the pictures that have been posted to date are on the internet...not much you can do about that other than petition the hosting sites to remove them.  Problem is, they still exist because pedo's have downloaded them and will continue to share them with other pedo's.  Once pictures are on the internet, they're there...these dirty pricks will circulate them 'til the end of time.

IMO, the only solution is to protect future wrestlers by getting away from singlets and implementing the non-compression uniforms across the board.  Advocating for that, and the reason why, is what will stop this in the future.  There will still be issues with other sports (swimming, etc.) because of the uniforms, but we can try to do what we can for our sport.

[Corby]

3 hours ago, commonsense2400 said:

OMG. Seriously, get on the phone with human resources and legal right now. I'm begging you. Just begging.

Common sense says don't join a message board and jump into the conversation immediately and know everything about the situation. And then say you live with the Taliban hahaha. The MW wrestle guy in question happens to be Iranian. Many of the YouTube functions you've explained only a veteran YouTuber would know those things. Take a break and get on the HAM radio for a bit. 

Edited January 3 by Corby

[flyingcement]

2 minutes ago, Corby said:

Common sense says don't join a message board and jump into the conversation immediately and know everything about the situation. And then say you live with the Taliban hahaha. The gentleman in question happens to be Iranian. Many of the YouTube functions you've explained only a veteran YouTuber would know those things. Take a break and get on the HAM radio for a bit. 

Gentleman or scumbag?

 

Edit: not tryna be a jerk to you but want to make sure we don't give too much credit to pieces of shit

Edited January 3 by flyingcement

[Corby]

12 minutes ago, flyingcement said:

Gentleman or scumbag?

 

Edit: not tryna be a jerk to you but want to make sure we don't give too much credit to pieces of shit

I typed and edited immediately man you're fast. Definitely not a gentleman 

[Team America]

On 12/31/2023 at 2:01 PM, ILLINIWrestlingBlog said:

Not true. You must know that! Do you think that anybody would watch the exact same videos if they were 240p or 360p?

Flo videos are frequently 360p or worse. 

 

It sucks that they are being used in a way that is harmful to children. As a community, what do we do?

1. We can demand better quality from the trusted businesses. (That might keep the suspicious individuals from doing it).

2. We can inform the children and their parents and coaches to hire a lawyer, write to YouTube, call their Member of Congress.

3. We can ask for a bill in Congress to require that videotaping of minors in wrestling (and any similar sport like gymnastics or swimming) be at 360 pixels or less.

4. Other ideas?

So if Flo gets better cameras it will make pedophiles go away? 
 

why are you trying so hard to defend pedos? 

[ILLINIWrestlingBlog]

10 hours ago, commonsense2400 said:

None of these videos are child porn.... Just because someone like you can think wrestling is nudity and sex doesn't mean it is and no judge or jury will agree with you. 

 

If they're not child porn, why did you upload them to porn websites? 

If I watched one of the videos, I'd see two kids wrestling. But here's your problem: A smart State's Attorney will explain to the judge, and later the jury, that what they perceive as salacious isn't the issue; it's what your audience thinks. You can show a cow a picture of a nude woman, and although the cow might be flattered with the attention, it will not become sexually aroused. 

You found a community that was aroused by these (as ILLINOIS law defines them) "simulated" sex acts and "transparent" clothing. That's what makes it a criminal violation. It doesn't matter what Joe Six Pack thinks, it's what your audience thinks. Millions of views don't lie. 

And what a shame. 

Using HD cameras and following the action around the mat should be the standard in the industry (except when filming minors), but you may have set that back.

[Eagle26]

Absolutely disgusting and crazy that someone makes an account just to come on here and defend this!

But on to the “what can we do about it” part… As others have mentioned, the singlet needs to go. We have given the option of fight shorts and compression shirt a long time ago. Problem is coaches cater to the elite. The serious wrestlers don’t care and take pride in the tradition of the sport so they all prefer singlets. Unfortunately that’s what the coaches order the team then. You say it doesn’t make a difference, but it is a fact that some kids don’t come out for the sport because they think they have to wear a singlet. If coaches cared more about the growing the sport as a whole rather than catering to the elite, the change would’ve happened a long time ago. Sadly, now we have another reason to move on from the singlet. I hope this is enough to get it to be a mandatory change across the board.

[Husker_Du]

13 hours ago, commonsense2400 said:

Youtube selects a few video frames at random and those are the choices. 

then why were they all changed (for a while) after i asked him about it?

and why are they all now back to suggestive images? 

@BobDole consider zapping this dude. 

[Ohio Elite]

5 minutes ago, Husker_Du said:

then why were they all changed (for a while) after i asked him about it?

and why are they all now back to suggestive images? 

@BobDole consider zapping this dude. 

Please ban this idiot!!