PortaJohn Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 (edited) 13 minutes ago, bnwtwg said: Counterpoint: I don't see that as a counterpoint. I would say it's someone who is impressionable and susceptible to the propaganda that was fed to him & he would be just as susceptible to another mechanism of propaganda if religion was replaced. My point remains. Eradicating religion wouldn't bring this rise of intellectual reasoning. The powers at be would just replace it with something else Edited February 14 by PortaJohn 1 I Don't Agree With What I Posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnwtwg Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 2 minutes ago, PortaJohn said: I don't see that as a counterpoint. I would say it's someone who is impressionable and susceptible to the propaganda that was fed to him & he would be just as susceptible to another mechanism of propaganda if religion was replaced. My point remains. Eradicating religion wouldn't bring this rise of intellectual reasoning. The powers at be would just replace it with something else Oh don't worry we are on the same page. But any chance I can put a huckster on blast imma do it i am an idiot on the internet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortaJohn Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 1 minute ago, bnwtwg said: Oh don't worry we are on the same page. But any chance I can put a huckster on blast imma do it Ha! Fair enough I Don't Agree With What I Posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VakAttack Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 3 hours ago, PortaJohn said: Then you should ask your history teachers to refund your parents the tax payer dollars from your local school district Are you saying war has been started by atheists in the name of atheism, or just that atheists themselves have started a war? I'm sure the second one may be true (although I don't know off the top of my head who they would be, undoubtedly there are historical atheists behind the start of a war; being an atheist doesn't immunize your from being a violent, psychopathic asshole.) Typically humans aren't going to respond passionately to negative identification, whereas positive identification typically is how one would inspire fanaticism, at least, passion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortaJohn Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 4 minutes ago, VakAttack said: Are you saying war has been started by atheists in the name of atheism, No 4 minutes ago, VakAttack said: or just that atheists themselves have started a war? Yes I Don't Agree With What I Posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VakAttack Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 2 minutes ago, PortaJohn said: No Yes Ahh, ok. Then I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortaJohn Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 1 minute ago, VakAttack said: Ahh, ok. Then I agree. I might've been a little unfair to @TNwrestling. I quoted him on his statement that didn't specify whether or not he meant wars started in the name of atheism I Don't Agree With What I Posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNwrestling Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 4 minutes ago, PortaJohn said: I might've been a little unfair to @TNwrestling. I quoted him on his statement that didn't specify whether or not he meant wars started in the name of atheism Fair response, i did mean in the name of athiesm as wars have been started in the name of religion. Your counterpoint was enough for me to understand what you meant though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnwtwg Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 33 minutes ago, VakAttack said: Ahh, ok. Then I agree. 30 minutes ago, PortaJohn said: I might've been a little unfair to @TNwrestling. I quoted him on his statement that didn't specify whether or not he meant wars started in the name of atheism 25 minutes ago, TNwrestling said: Fair response, i did mean in the name of athiesm as wars have been started in the name of religion. Your counterpoint was enough for me to understand what you meant though. I did not have "Forum posters find peace and unity on page 11 of an AJ Ferarri thread" on my 2024 bingo card 1 i am an idiot on the internet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VakAttack Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 11 minutes ago, bnwtwg said: I did not have "Forum posters find peace and unity on page 11 of an AJ Ferarri thread" on my 2024 bingo card AJ Ferrari, the Great Uniter. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNwrestling Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 (edited) 14 minutes ago, bnwtwg said: I did not have "Forum posters find peace and unity on page 11 of an AJ Ferarri thread" on my 2024 bingo card We're meant to believe we're so pitted against each other. Its always red vs blue, trump or biden, blah blah but when we sit down and actually have civilized conversations, more often than not (ofc there are insane people on both sides who are incapable of being reasoned with) we're able to find common middle ground. At least thats been my experience. and the more these conversations happen the better off we are as a whole as a society. The powers at be dont want that. They want us fighting so we stay in a constant state of fear to keep buying products we don't need so they can keep getting richer. sorry, thats a conversation not meant for this board. Yay wreslting. Edited February 14 by TNwrestling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex1fly Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 49 minutes ago, TNwrestling said: We're meant to believe we're so pitted against each other. Its always red vs blue, trump or biden, blah blah but when we sit down and actually have civilized conversations, more often than not (ofc there are insane people on both sides who are incapable of being reasoned with) we're able to find common middle ground. At least thats been my experience. and the more these conversations happen the better off we are as a whole as a society. The powers at be dont want that. They want us fighting so we stay in a constant state of fear to keep buying products we don't need so they can keep getting richer. sorry, thats a conversation not meant for this board. Yay wreslting. Amen Most divisiveness happens on your phone/computer too. Set the screen down and it’s amazing how alike we are. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gus Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 1 hour ago, TNwrestling said: Fair response, i did mean in the name of athiesm as wars have been started in the name of religion. Your counterpoint was enough for me to understand what you meant though. What you are describing is part of what the Apostle Paul calls the mystery of iniquity in 2 Thessalonians chapter 2. It is Satan's counterfeit religious system that takes the emphasis off of the Lord Jesus Christ and what He did and puts the emphasis on man and what man can do to curry favor with God through works of the flesh (which is a futile effort). Satan is the great deceiver and counterfeiter, so unfortunately most of Christendom at large is taking part in the mystery of iniquity without even realizing it. This is in stark contrast to what the Apostle Paul calls the mystery of godliness in 1 Tim chapter 3. The mystery of godliness is how that when believers are placed into the body of Christ upon trusting on the Lord Jesus Christ they are made godly by their spiritual union with Christ. It is all about Christ and what He did, not about us and what we did or could ever do on our own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinnacle Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 4 hours ago, TNwrestling said: Under the guise of religion. Whether or not their god actually talked to them doesn't really matter. The cloak of religion is the major issue. What about the raw power they desire? Isn't that actually the driving force? I have always believed it was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCinnabon Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 On 2/7/2024 at 11:38 AM, TNwrestling said: This has turned into the most boring conversation on this entire forum... ..but at least we're not talking about aj anymore. so i guess its still a win. I thought the most boring argument on here was the strength of Aaron Negao’s schedule this year and last. Multiple pages of those boring takes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammerlock3 Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 25 minutes ago, JimmyCinnabon said: I thought the most boring argument on here was the strength of Aaron Negao’s schedule this year and last. Multiple pages of those boring takes. "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNwrestling Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 1 hour ago, Gus said: What you are describing is part of what the Apostle Paul calls the mystery of iniquity in 2 Thessalonians chapter 2. It is Satan's counterfeit religious system that takes the emphasis off of the Lord Jesus Christ and what He did and puts the emphasis on man and what man can do to curry favor with God through works of the flesh (which is a futile effort). Satan is the great deceiver and counterfeiter, so unfortunately most of Christendom at large is taking part in the mystery of iniquity without even realizing it. This is in stark contrast to what the Apostle Paul calls the mystery of godliness in 1 Tim chapter 3. The mystery of godliness is how that when believers are placed into the body of Christ upon trusting on the Lord Jesus Christ they are made godly by their spiritual union with Christ. It is all about Christ and what He did, not about us and what we did or could ever do on our own. For those of us who aren't a part of your book club its called history... ...throughout history people have killed innocents and waged war in the name of their religion. Every religion. Even Christianity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCinnabon Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 37 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said: I am not in debt. But if it makes you feel better the check is in the mail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammerlock3 Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 Just now, JimmyCinnabon said: I am not in debt. But if it makes you feel better the check is in the mail. "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex1fly Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 Wait until you guys hear that God is more of a life force than some mystical being in the sky, and that Jesus wanted us to emulate him rather than worship him. We might just keep this thread going indefinitely! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNwrestling Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 (edited) 19 minutes ago, alex1fly said: Wait until you guys hear that God is more of a life force than some mystical being in the sky, and that Jesus wanted us to emulate him rather than worship him. We might just keep this thread going indefinitely! Wait until you realize that there is no god or any god and the blackness you experienced before you were born is what you'll experience after you die and the reason we created religion in the first place was becuase we, as a species, evolved too far past the other animals on this planet and got an over inflatied sense of our own self worth and couldnt fathom a world or life in which we dont exist so we created an after life, based on nothing. we wrote the books, we wrote the tablets, we wrote it all and said it was a higher power. we've done it for thousands and thousands of years, all across the entire planet. ...but there's nothing. nada. when you die you die. life has much more meaning when you do Edited February 14 by TNwrestling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortaJohn Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 (edited) 8 minutes ago, TNwrestling said: Wait until you realize that there is no god or any god and the blackness you experienced before you were born is what you'll experience after you die and the reason we created religion in the first place was becuase we, as a species, evolved too far past the other animals on this planet and got an over inflation of our own self worth and couldnt fathom a world or life in which we dont exist so we created an after life, based on nothing. we wrote the books, we wrote the tablets, we wrote it all and said it was a higher power. we've done it for thousands and thousands of years, all across the entire planet. ...but there's nothing. nada. when you die you die. life has much more meaning when you do Or you come to your real consciousness and your buddy asks you how realistic the simulation program was that he just bought from Game Stop Edited February 14 by PortaJohn I Don't Agree With What I Posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatWhiteNorth Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 5 hours ago, PortaJohn said: Or you come to your real consciousness and your buddy asks you how realistic the simulation program was that he just bought from Game Stop Which is essentially a new religion for many... and not a bad one. Better than some (the ones that demand followers to murder - for instance.) I'd next post here something about the OP - but let's be honest, AJ's future is limited. The model of unfulfilled potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortaJohn Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 1 minute ago, GreatWhiteNorth said: AJ's future is limited. The model of unfulfilled potential. I guess the real question is, it this a result of deterministic simulation or the result of a glitch in the system? I Don't Agree With What I Posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatWhiteNorth Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 3 minutes ago, PortaJohn said: I guess the real question is, it this a result of deterministic simulation or the result of a glitch in the system? I don't know AJ. But my guess is probabilistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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