1032004 Posted December 22, 2023 Author Share Posted December 22, 2023 9 hours ago, Hammerlock3 said: who cares The wrestlers seem to care a little, like when they took that picture a few years back of all the black national champs, which I thought was a cool thing to do. Yes, people should all be treated the same but it’s still okay to be aware of your own/other people’s heritage. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted December 22, 2023 Author Share Posted December 22, 2023 14 hours ago, Idaho said: Were there any other words that indicated the comment was intended to be racist? If not, then I don't know the intent of the person writing it and can't just automatically chalk up as racism. I see it directed at most kids who end up throwing a punch in a match no matter what race they are. Well, here’s another post by the person that said Bailey is a thug (which a reminder, I was not even originally counting as one of the 4 racist comments): I know as someone said earlier, x/twitter is a cesspool, but I do feel like at least in wrestling conversations the number of overtly racist comments under that post did still seem out of the ordinary. Although getting off topic but speaking of x/twitter being a cesspool, I have also noticed a steady increase in porn accounts replying to wrestling posts which is annoying… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idaho Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, TylerDurden said: I have no idea what other words may or may not have been used. I am not on X/Twitter. But I'm sure that you're aware that people can say and do racist things even if they don't intend them to be racist, right? A person can say racist things and have no idea that those things are racist because their life experiences haven't shown them that they are indeed racist. It might mean that there isn't malicious intent, but those things are still racism. Some might view a situation like this as an opportunity to learn about the historical use of the words of phrases they write on their favorite social media platform and change the way they react to future events, others will brush it off as no big deal. Some will be inclined to give the benefit of the doubt to passive/subtle and not-so-subtle uses of racist language, others won't. It's up to each person to make these decisions for themselves. I personally try to treat people with the same respect and dignity that I'd like to treated with. I'm going to give grace to people and allow them to be human and make mistakes, but I can still identify when people are using racist language and condemn it regardless of their intent. To clarify, you see the phrase "Ban him from wrestling" as a racist phrase in and of itself? Edited December 22, 2023 by Idaho Sponsored by INTERMAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idaho Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 3 hours ago, 1032004 said: Well, here’s another post by the person that said Bailey is a thug (which a reminder, I was not even originally counting as one of the 4 racist comments): I know as someone said earlier, x/twitter is a cesspool, but I do feel like at least in wrestling conversations the number of overtly racist comments under that post did still seem out of the ordinary. Although getting off topic but speaking of x/twitter being a cesspool, I have also noticed a steady increase in porn accounts replying to wrestling posts which is annoying… Yep, I would definitely put that in the category of racist for sure...... my response was specifically about the phrase "ban him from wrestling" 1 Sponsored by INTERMAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackwebster Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 19 hours ago, Hammerlock3 said: Its not progress to act like certain combinations of syllables are imbued with the power to inflict actual injury. Are they "magic" in the Harry Potter sense? No, but depending on how you define "actual injury" certain combinations of syllables are more powerful than others. I'm not sure if recognizing this relative power is a sign that we are moving toward a more just way of dealing with each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackwebster Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 Here's a disheartening game that my wife and I play when we watch duals on Sunday: keep a tally of times "explosive" and "athletic" are used to describe a wrestler, making demographic notes as you go. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim L Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 3 minutes ago, jackwebster said: Here's a disheartening game that my wife and I play when we watch duals on Sunday: keep a tally of times "explosive" and "athletic" are used to describe a wrestler, making demographic notes as you go. True in most sports 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackwebster Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 1 minute ago, Jim L said: True in most sports Yeah, I guess I sorta missed the point of the thread. We were wondering whether this fan base is particularly racist. I would say that we are like everybody else 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interviewed_at_Weehawken Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Jim L said: True in most sports I wonder if she does it with the other sports too? Maybe she has separate binders for each? I'm kinda wondering who she knows the demographics of each athlete or if she is just assuming this stuff? Edited December 22, 2023 by Interviewed_at_Weehawken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackwebster Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 38 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said: I wonder if she does it with the other sports too? Maybe she has separate binders for each? I'm kinda wondering who she knows the demographics of each athlete or if she is just assuming this stuff? Yeah, I guess I sorta missed the point of the thread. We were wondering whether this fan base is particularly racist. I would say that we are like everybody else Re demographic data: Bad euphemism on my part. We just note if the dude is a white guy or a brown guy. This kind of descrimination is more or less racist, too. I'm not claiming immunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 3 minutes ago, jackwebster said: We just note if the dude is a white guy or a brown guy. vs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammerlock3 Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 1 hour ago, jackwebster said: Are they "magic" in the Harry Potter sense? No, but depending on how you define "actual injury" certain combinations of syllables are more powerful than others. I'm not sure if recognizing this relative power is a sign that we are moving toward a more just way of dealing with each other. we are moving towards a better way of dealing with each other, I'd just say that this should be done via social pressure, not censorship, legislation or threatening employment. 1 "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammerlock3 Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, 1032004 said: The wrestlers seem to care a little, like when they took that picture a few years back of all the black national champs, which I thought was a cool thing to do. Yes, people should all be treated the same but it’s still okay to be aware of your own/other people’s heritage. yeah i think that was rascist and stupid. No harm was intended or inflicted, but if you embody the ideology that recommends such action your a really bad person. Edited December 22, 2023 by Hammerlock3 "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted December 22, 2023 Author Share Posted December 22, 2023 9 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said: yeah i think that was rascist and stupid. No harm was intended or inflicted, but if you embody the ideology that recommends such action your a really bad person. It was racist and stupid for people to take a picture together? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammerlock3 Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, 1032004 said: It was racist and stupid for people to take a picture together? if they were doing it for racial reasons yes. people should be united by ideas not skin. this is a pretty puritanical take on my part, i'm not trying to embue it with a lot drama, but some ideas are so desctructive that their seeds should be pointed out. Edited December 22, 2023 by Hammerlock3 "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNwrestling Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said: if they were doing it for racial reasons yes. people should be united by ideas not skin. That doesnt make it racist. Being racist is being prejudice towards a different race. Regardless of how "united" you think we all should be, people of other skin color will ALWAYS exist and some races history aren't as long as others. For them to be proud of their progress, again, isnt racist. What an absolutely horrendous take. Edited December 22, 2023 by TNwrestling 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammerlock3 Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, TNwrestling said: That doesnt make it racist. Being racist is being showing prejudice towards a different race. Regardless of how "united" you think we all should be, people of other skin color will ALWAYS exist and some races history aren't as long as others. For them to be proud of their progress, again, isnt racist. What an absolutely horrendous take. racist behavior is bad. they discriminated against any white person who wanted to be in the picture 3 "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNwrestling Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 1 minute ago, Hammerlock3 said: they discriminated against any white person who wanted to be in the picture Top 5 dumbest things ever said on this forum. Ever. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackwebster Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 6 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said: if they were doing it for racial reasons yes. people should be united by ideas not skin. "Race" is about more than skin as the George Hamilton pic above makes clear. Racial identity is about ideas, a bunch of ideas, bunch of incredibly complicated and contradictory ideas. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted December 22, 2023 Author Share Posted December 22, 2023 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said: if they were doing it for racial reasons yes. people should be united by ideas not skin. this is a pretty puritanical take on my part, i'm not trying to embue it with a lot drama, but some ideas are so desctructive that their seeds should be pointed out. lol, it’s not destructive for guys to take a picture with other guys that look like them of which there is not a huge number in wrestling. Your white privilege is showing Edited December 22, 2023 by 1032004 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Blades Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 3 hours ago, jackwebster said: Yeah, I guess I sorta missed the point of the thread. We were wondering whether this fan base is particularly racist. I would say that we are like everybody else I think this is part of the problem with the world right now - people are so quick to characterize entire groups of people based on the actions of some individuals. But other than a common interest in the sport, I don't believe there is any particular characteristic - whether based on race, religion, political views, or whatever - that are necessarily in common to wrestling fans as a whole. We should certainly call out injustice where we may see it, but not attribute the guilt to others based on some other association. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim L Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 4 hours ago, Jim L said: True in most sports 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bardamu911 Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 wrestling fans are largely right wing so you get what comes along with that. Look all the MAGA idiocy you seen parroted in wrestling forums and in the community, chances are amateur wrestling fans in general look at this as just another example of something that snowflakes like you and I are just too soft to handle and why don't we just go crying to our safe space. I'm also a boxing and MMA fan so I've learned just to chuckle and move on from it. Like Ray Velcoro said, we get the world that we deserve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, Bardamu911 said: wrestling fans are largely right wing Perhaps you need to visit the Non Wrestling Topics cesspool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bardamu911 Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 15 minutes ago, ionel said: Perhaps you need to visit the Non Wrestling Topics cesspool. honestly I'd rather drink paint 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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