Something the Brands should get credit for....

[Hammerlock3]

they really did tame desanto. his conduct basically got better the longer he was at Iowa. you could point at stuff he did at Iowa that was embarassing for sure, but he improved as a person.

[flyingcement]

He speaks about it here after finishing his college career 

[Ohio Elite]

He should get credit for recruiting as well. DeSanto was a wild man freshman year lol.

[Nittany]

He did get older and that usually matures people a bit.  Correlation or causation? 

[jchapman]

  On 12/8/2023 at 9:37 PM, Hammerlock3 said:

they really did tame desanto. his conduct basically got better the longer he was at Iowa. you could point at stuff he did at Iowa that was embarassing for sure, but he improved as a person.

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When did he threaten to kill the staff member at NCAAs?  Was that his second year at Iowa?

[Hammerlock3]

  On 12/8/2023 at 10:02 PM, jchapman said:

When did he threaten to kill the staff member at NCAAs?  Was that his second year at Iowa?

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he tried to rip a guys arm off before that.....seems like my claim that he trended in the right direction is correct.

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[Mr. PeanutButter]

  On 12/8/2023 at 10:02 PM, jchapman said:

When did he threaten to kill the staff member at NCAAs?  Was that his second year at Iowa?

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There's a lot to criticize DeSanta for but this particular incident was overblown. 

Society has gotten soft. Back in my day you could tell your boys, "I'll ducking k!ll you m0therf#c<3r" and everyone would just laugh and continue to roast each other. Now, everyone is looking to victimize themselves

[Wrestleknownothing]

They also should get credit for being the clear second best coaches in wrestling. That is something I think gets missed too often.

[flyingcement]

"The price of a calm facade is ofttimes a heavy boot on the neck of the chaos within fighting to break free."

[jchapman]

  On 12/8/2023 at 10:11 PM, Mr. PeanutButter said:

There's a lot to criticize DeSanta for but this particular incident was overblown. 

Society has gotten soft. Back in my day you could tell your boys, "I'll ducking k!ll you m0therf#c<3r" and everyone would just laugh and continue to roast each other. Now, everyone is looking to victimize themselves

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Could you tell a woman that same thing, back in your day?

[ionel]

  On 12/8/2023 at 10:11 PM, Mr. PeanutButter said:

There's a lot to criticize DeSanta for but this particular incident was overblown. 

Society has gotten soft. Back in my day you could tell your boys, "I'll ducking k!ll you m0therf#c<3r" and everyone would just laugh and continue to roast each other. Now, everyone is looking to victimize themselves

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We used to use Napalm, for some reason we stopped.

[MPhillips]

  On 12/8/2023 at 10:53 PM, ionel said:

We used to use Napalm, for some reason we stopped.

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Same with the insecticide, DDT. Then bedbugs made a comeback...

[Mr. PeanutButter]

  On 12/8/2023 at 10:46 PM, jchapman said:

Could you tell a woman that same thing, back in your day?

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I once told my 4th grade teacher (a woman) that I'd kill her. She laughed at me and said I was overreacting. 

In all seriousness, threats like these should not be taken lightly. Austin was right to be reprimanded. From my understanding, he was feeling very overwhelmed after losing to RBY and wanted to quickly get away from anyone and everyone to vent. He didn't behave appropriately in that situation so I'm not saying he should get a pass, I just don't for a minute think he had actual violent intent at that moment.

[alex1fly]

18 yr old kid matured over 4 years to become slightly less of a temper tantrum throwing maniac? Yeah sorry he still tries to injure his opponents with blatantly illegal moves at the senior level. Low dang bar but ok. 

[Hammerlock3]

  On 12/8/2023 at 11:28 PM, alex1fly said:

18 yr old kid matured over 4 years to become slightly less of a temper tantrum throwing maniac? Yeah sorry he still tries to injure his opponents with blatantly illegal moves at the senior level. Low dang bar but ok. 

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example?

[alex1fly]

  On 12/8/2023 at 11:29 PM, Hammerlock3 said:

example?

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Lol I’m not playing the “convince me I’m wrong” game. But I have seen him warned by refs several times to stop doing illegal/dangerous moves since he left Iowa. 

[Hammerlock3]

  On 12/8/2023 at 11:36 PM, alex1fly said:

Lol I’m not playing the “convince me I’m wrong” game. But I have seen him warned by refs several times to stop doing illegal/dangerous moves since he left Iowa. 

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you're accusing him of trying to injure people and you can't think of a single example? 

[alex1fly]

  On 12/8/2023 at 11:41 PM, Hammerlock3 said:

you're accusing him of trying to injure people and you can't think of a single example? 

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Not accusing to share what I saw. Maybe ADS is a better person, I don’t know. Do you want me look through his match footage to jog my memory?

[Hammerlock3]

  On 12/9/2023 at 4:26 AM, alex1fly said:

Not accusing to share what I saw. Maybe ADS is a better person, I don’t know. Do you want me look through his match footage to jog my memory?

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Yes i do. You made an accusation, you should back it up

[alex1fly]

  On 12/9/2023 at 4:28 AM, Hammerlock3 said:

Yes i do. You made an accusation, you should back it up

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You accused ADS being a better person because of Brands. You should back it up

[Tripnsweep]

  On 12/8/2023 at 11:06 PM, MPhillips said:

Same with the insecticide, DDT. Then bedbugs made a comeback...

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Also what replaced DDT was a lot more toxic and killed more farm workers than DDT ever did because most of them weren't used to handling really toxic chemicals. 

[Hammerlock3]

  On 12/9/2023 at 4:48 AM, alex1fly said:

You accused ADS being a better person because of Brands. You should back it up

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flyingcement  already did

[Tripnsweep]

  On 12/8/2023 at 11:10 PM, Mr. PeanutButter said:

I once told my 4th grade teacher (a woman) that I'd kill her. She laughed at me and said I was overreacting. 

In all seriousness, threats like these should not be taken lightly. Austin was right to be reprimanded. From my understanding, he was feeling very overwhelmed after losing to RBY and wanted to quickly get away from anyone and everyone to vent. He didn't behave appropriately in that situation so I'm not saying he should get a pass, I just don't for a minute think he had actual violent intent at that moment.

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A kid in my 3rd grade class got in trouble for something, and the teacher told him to go to the principals office. Just before he went he yelled "I wish you were dead!" at our teacher, who was an old lady. It was kind of shocking to hear but also kind of funny. 

[wrestlingest2010]

I candidly would not compare DeSanto to AJ Ferrari. Candidly it seems DeSanto for the most part had emotional control issues, not excusing it but there's something there. If you watched the Big Ten documentary, you can see how bad it got (he was threatening Marinelli even) But I candidly did not hear about any off the mat issues with him ever. 

AJ Ferrari is a typical narcissistic who doesn't seem to think rules apply to him. He was starting fights with Masvidal at UFC events when he was still in trouble. The fact he got away with what he did and is being worshipped as a savior by Iowa already won't help him grow out of those thoughts either IMO. 

Iowa fans really want to believe he gets it together this time and there is no implosion that happened at Allen, TX, at Blair, at Bergen at Stillwater .... I suppose I would also if I were them. 

[Alces Alces Gigas]

  On 12/9/2023 at 4:50 AM, Tripnsweep said:

Also what replaced DDT was a lot more toxic and killed more farm workers than DDT ever did because most of them weren't used to handling really toxic chemicals. 

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But did the new chemicals kill birds?    That is the important question!!