JimmyBT Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 (edited) On 12/7/2023 at 2:53 AM, flyingcement said: I felt the coach and Kozak were in line. Pyles inserting himself was unnecessary and he comes across as his usual self (i.e. not good) Expand What real impact does the Flo ranking have on his team ?? Seems like someone needs some attention Edited December 7, 2023 by JimmyBT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingcement Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 On 12/7/2023 at 3:01 AM, JimmyBT said: What real impact does the Flo ranking have on his team ?? Expand There are only a handful of ranking services and after Intermat, Flo is the most commonly cited I tend to see. As others mentioned, coaches probably don't feel the need to delve into the nuances between Austin Murphy and Sal Perrine, its easy to defer to the public rankings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyBT Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 On 12/7/2023 at 3:06 AM, flyingcement said: There are only a handful of ranking services and after Intermat, Flo is the most commonly cited I tend to see. As others mentioned, coaches probably don't feel the need to delve into the nuances between Austin Murphy and Sal Perrine, its easy to defer to the public rankings. Expand Then that’s the coaches problem not flos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyBT Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 On 12/7/2023 at 3:06 AM, flyingcement said: There are only a handful of ranking services and after Intermat, Flo is the most commonly cited I tend to see. As others mentioned, coaches probably don't feel the need to delve into the nuances between Austin Murphy and Sal Perrine, its easy to defer to the public rankings. Expand Even the smallest staffs have 3-4 coaches. Good learning experience for one coach to be in charge of understanding those differences. Most on here do it with full time jobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingcement Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 On 12/7/2023 at 3:09 AM, JimmyBT said: Even the smallest staffs have 3-4 coaches. Good learning experience for one coach to be in charge of understanding those differences. Most on here do it with full time jobs. Expand I mean fair point on the last sentence. We all do with full time jobs. But what is our lens? To be entertained and to predict the winners. The lens of a coach is - how do I prepare my wrestler for that guy. And so I feel it is less likely to view in an objective way because why would he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyBT Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 On 12/7/2023 at 3:11 AM, flyingcement said: I mean fair point on the last sentence. We all do with full time jobs. But what is our lens? To be entertained and to predict the winners. The lens of a coach is - how do I prepare my wrestler for that guy. And so I feel it is less likely to view in an objective way because why would he? Expand So then this coach either A.) Has the time to understand it and make the comments he did OR B.) He doesn’t have the time and probably shouldn’t make the comments he did. Which do you think it is??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingcement Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 On 12/7/2023 at 3:07 AM, JimmyBT said: Then that’s the coaches problem not flos Expand As a lower profile school that is overlooked even in the best of times, I'd argue the coach is benefiting the team by being more vocal and visible. Again, I thought the discourse between he and Kozak was completely above board. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyBT Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 On 12/7/2023 at 3:14 AM, flyingcement said: As a lower profile school that is overlooked even in the best of times, I'd argue the coach is benefiting the team by being more vocal and visible. Again, I thought the discourse between he and Kozak was completely above board. Expand Should have been done offline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingcement Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 On 12/7/2023 at 3:14 AM, JimmyBT said: So then this coach either A.) Has the time to understand it and make the comments he did OR B.) He doesn’t have the time and probably shouldn’t make the comments he did. Which do you think it is??? Expand I think he spends plenty of time evaluating those wrestlers, but not in a way on which he would be emphasizing where they stand in an objective historically based ranking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyBT Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 On 12/7/2023 at 3:14 AM, flyingcement said: As a lower profile school that is overlooked even in the best of times, I'd argue the coach is benefiting the team by being more vocal and visible. Again, I thought the discourse between he and Kozak was completely above board. Expand So you agree. He’s looking for attention??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingcement Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 On 12/7/2023 at 3:14 AM, JimmyBT said: Should have been done offline. Expand Why? The rankings are public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingcement Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 (edited) On 12/7/2023 at 3:16 AM, JimmyBT said: So you agree. He’s looking for attention??? Expand Absolutely- not for him- but for his wrestler Edited December 7, 2023 by flyingcement 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyBT Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 On 12/7/2023 at 3:15 AM, flyingcement said: I think he spends plenty of time evaluating those wrestlers, but not in a way on which he would be emphasizing where they stand in an objective historically based ranking Expand He obviously thinks it’s wrong so he should have a reason or not bring it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyBT Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 On 12/7/2023 at 3:17 AM, flyingcement said: Absolutely- not for him- but for his On 12/7/2023 at 3:17 AM, flyingcement said: Absolutely- not for him- but for his wrestler Expand He gave no rebuttals or reasoning for why he thought it was wrong. How does he expect to get it changed without direct dialogue with the guy that did it ??? Pressuring him publicly??? Expand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingcement Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 On 12/7/2023 at 3:17 AM, JimmyBT said: He obviously thinks it’s wrong so he should have a reason or not bring it up. Expand I think there is probably a middle ground that made more sense in reality. Dropping 18 spots while remaining undefeated is odd. Dropping some other moderate amount can be explained away by the Ventresca/Brown response which is fair to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingcement Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 On 12/7/2023 at 3:19 AM, JimmyBT said: Expand I think it was just what i said: dropping so many spots (18)in the rankings while remaining undefeated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyBT Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 What Kozak did was above board in response to whining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingcement Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 On 12/7/2023 at 3:22 AM, JimmyBT said: What Kozak did was above board in response to whining. Expand I'm not a natural born whiner and it makes me uncomfortable, but i understand it's value Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyBT Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 On 12/7/2023 at 3:22 AM, flyingcement said: I think it was just what i said: dropping so many spots (18)in the rankings while remaining undefeated. Expand Who did he wrestle ? Who did the other guys wrestle. Sarcastic shots about maybe not getting the correct info is childish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyBT Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 On 12/7/2023 at 3:23 AM, flyingcement said: I'm not a natural born whiner and it makes me uncomfortable, but i understand it's value Expand So it’s above board whining ??? Got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingcement Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 On 12/7/2023 at 3:23 AM, JimmyBT said: Who did he wrestle ? Who did the other guys wrestle. Sarcastic shots about maybe not getting the correct info is childish Expand Ventresca and Brown were the two big ones. The former, an AA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyBT Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 (edited) On 12/7/2023 at 3:24 AM, flyingcement said: Ventresca and Brown were the two big ones. The former, an AA. Expand Borelli named neither. He whined. Edited December 7, 2023 by JimmyBT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingcement Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 On 12/7/2023 at 3:24 AM, JimmyBT said: So it’s above board whining ??? Got it. Expand Whining as a pejorative for calling out what he perceived to be as an injustice against his wrestler and his program. It's not as bad as it sounds and the world presents these situations to all of us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyBT Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 On 12/7/2023 at 3:27 AM, flyingcement said: Whining as a pejorative for calling out what he perceived to be as an injustice against his wrestler and his program. It's not as bad as it sounds and the world presents these situations to all of us Expand What he perceived to be an injustice. Yet he gives zero rebuttal to what he thinks should have happened instead nor why?????? I’ve been presented a situation like this many times. Always handled it one on one with the other individual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted December 7, 2023 Author Share Posted December 7, 2023 On 12/7/2023 at 2:31 AM, flyingcement said: Yeah there are a couple tournaments where American is sending partial lineup but doesn't say who (perhaps just backups) so it may be that his toughest matchups before conferences are Tucker Owen's (Air Force) and Ethan Berginc (Army). Expand Yup should also have #20 Babin of Columbia before EIWA’s 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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