silver-medal Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 Mendez....Woods....Bartlett...Jack....Hardy...McNeil I say Mendez...at this point in time. He's jumped a few levels since last season in terms of defense and top game. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammerlock3 Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 woods is a really tough out, id give him the edge over mendez 1 "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Elite Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 8 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said: woods is a really tough out, id give him the edge over mendez It's a shame no dual between the 2 teams again this year 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammerlock3 Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Ohio Elite said: It's a shame no dual between the 2 teams again this year yeah why? i know there are conference hoops to work around but obviously we have to get PSU iowa every year, you'd think they could work it out. Iowa tOSU is a more compelling dual than Iowa PSU at this point, cause Iowa has no shot, and historically get matches they won in the conference and duals turned on them anyway, so who cares? Edited December 4, 2023 by Hammerlock3 1 "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gus Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 Woods has the best track record. Mendez is having the best season for far. Bartlett will be a factor also just doesn't have the matches this season against high level competition. The other guys are a tier below at in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Elite Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 1 minute ago, Hammerlock3 said: yeah why? i know there are conference hoops to work around but obviously we have to get PSU iowa every year, you'd think they could work it out. Iowa tOSU is a more compelling dual than Iowa PSU at this point, cause Iowa has no shot, and historically get matches they won in the conference and duals turned on them anyway, so who cares? 100% agree. Last time they met was when Karchula beat Marinelli. That dual was a barn burner! Iowa won. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammerlock3 Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 1 minute ago, Gus said: Woods has the best track record. Mendez is having the best season for far. Bartlett will be a factor also just doesn't have the matches this season against high level competition. The other guys are a tier below at in my opinion. do you think bartlett, who i'll never count out because he's tough and PSU, is actually sort of modest talent? He doesn't have freakish scoring ability nor the kyle dake close match genius. "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPhillips Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 2 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said: 4 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said: bartlett, who i'll never count out because he's tough and PSU, 5 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said: is actually sort of modest talent? I think that's a pretty fair assessment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver-medal Posted December 4, 2023 Author Share Posted December 4, 2023 I do want to mention that Mendez beat a very tough Ryan Jack (who had just beaten a very good Lachlan McNeil) by snapping his head so hard that it bounced off the mat like a PSU dodgeball. He used it to set up his go behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gus Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 20 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said: do you think bartlett, who i'll never count out because he's tough and PSU, is actually sort of modest talent? He doesn't have freakish scoring ability nor the kyle dake close match genius. Just watch Bartlett's match against Nick Lee at world team trials. Athleticism is not Barlett's issue. He is hesitant to pull the trigger on leg attacks against the top guys. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammerlock3 Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 2 minutes ago, Gus said: Just watch Bartlett's match against Nick Lee at world team trials. Athleticism is not Barlett's issue. He is hesitant to pull the trigger on leg attacks against the top guys. Lee is not an athlete either. But maybe that supports your point, the difference is one pulls the trigger. "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver-medal Posted December 4, 2023 Author Share Posted December 4, 2023 Wouldn't Lee and Bartlett be familiar with each other? Or is Lee not training at NLWC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPhillips Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 31 minutes ago, silver-medal said: Or is Lee not training at NLWC? For a split second I thought this was a hysterical jab at HWC... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 41 minutes ago, silver-medal said: Wouldn't Lee and Bartlett be familiar with each other? Or is Lee not training at NLWC? They sure would. Bartlett went to Serbia to be Lee's warm up partner at Worlds. Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammerlock3 Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 49 minutes ago, silver-medal said: Wouldn't Lee and Bartlett be familiar with each other? Or is Lee not training at NLWC? what was the purpose of this question? "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le duke Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 Just watch Bartlett's match against Nick Lee at world team trials. Athleticism is not Barlett's issue. He is hesitant to pull the trigger on leg attacks against the top guys. This.Bartlett’s problem is not athletic ability. At all. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckshot Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Gus said: Just watch Bartlett's match against Nick Lee at world team trials. Athleticism is not Barlett's issue. He is hesitant to pull the trigger on leg attacks against the top guys. Bartlett wins plenty of matches w/o taking risks. I don't think it's the most fun style to watch but you can't argue with the results. Even in his match against Cornella he was never at risk of losing, he's very similar to the way RBY used to wrestle Desanto. If RBY would have got into a shooting match he still would have won 80% of the time but if he was careful Desanto had no chance. It's like if Floyd Mayweather Jr wrestled. Edited December 5, 2023 by buckshot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerDurden Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 5 hours ago, Gus said: Woods has the best track record. Mendez is having the best season for far. Bartlett will be a factor also just doesn't have the matches this season against high level competition. The other guys are a tier below at in my opinion. This is the correct answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerDurden Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 3 hours ago, Hammerlock3 said: what was the purpose of this question? I'm assuming it was to suggest that the match was close because of familiarity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Cinnabon Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 Woods is the best and the favorite to win it this year. Just too big, long and quick. And he's super tough on top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul158 Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 3 hours ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said: Woods is the best and the favorite to win it this year. Just too big, long and quick. And he's super tough on top. Wager . He barely beat a very good Echemendia ranked 14th. The takedown call was oh so very close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul158 Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 19 hours ago, silver-medal said: Mendez....Woods....Bartlett...Jack....Hardy...McNeil I say Mendez...at this point in time. He's jumped a few levels since last season in terms of defense and top game. It will be very close . Woods is in like his 8th year and a very seasoned pro. Mendez is settling in at a knew weight. He is just starting his second year as a true sophomore. These are all extremely good wrestlers mentioned. Its a very long season and we are just getting started. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHROMEBIRD Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 Exciting field this year. I'm biased towards Woods but must admit that he's looked pretty flat, definitely not as dynamic at times so far this season. I trust that he'll pull it together by the spring. If Alirez wasn't taking an ORS I think I'd give him maybe a 30% chance of repeating this year. Tough weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingcement Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 I am thinking something like 30% Mendez, 30% Bartlett, 30% Woods, 10% all others combined 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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