JimmyBT Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 197 has some top tier talent to watch this year. It won’t be the weakest weight class again this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. PeanutButter Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 what is the weakest weight class then? 184/125/157? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammerlock3 Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 i feel like the weakest weight talk is based on the idea that we've recently had HWY as the toughest weight for the first time ever...as if 97 was the default. "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyBT Posted December 3, 2023 Author Share Posted December 3, 2023 1 hour ago, Mr. PeanutButter said: what is the weakest weight class then? 184/125/157? Good question. Might be a little early to tell but I’ll go with 125 at this point. The highest returner and last years runner up has multiple losses already this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Elite Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 125 for sure. For now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyBT Posted December 3, 2023 Author Share Posted December 3, 2023 1 hour ago, Hammerlock3 said: i feel like the weakest weight talk is based on the idea that we've recently had HWY as the toughest weight for the first time ever...as if 97 was the default. Actually had Brooks and Hidlay not moved up it easily would have been 197 again this year as the weakest. Last years runner up has been manhandled by Brooks and looked overmatched against Smith from Maryland already this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammerlock3 Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 1 minute ago, JimmyBT said: Actually had Brooks and Hidlay not moved up it easily would have been 197 again this year as the weakest. Last years runner up has been manhandled by Brooks and looked overmatched against Smith from Maryland already this season. thats a rather large qualifier to lead with. "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyBT Posted December 3, 2023 Author Share Posted December 3, 2023 1 minute ago, Hammerlock3 said: thats a rather large qualifier to lead with. Ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyBT Posted December 3, 2023 Author Share Posted December 3, 2023 3 hours ago, Hammerlock3 said: thats a rather large qualifier to lead with. Buchanan is back this year too. Three quality wrestlers added to what was the weakest weight class last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gus Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 125 is definitely the easiest. I would go 125, 141, 157, 184, 149, 133, 174, HWT, 197, 165 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 3 minutes ago, Gus said: 125 is definitely the easiest. I would go 125, 141, 157, 184, 149, 133, 174, HWT, 197, 165 How do you define “easiest”? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 (edited) It’s weird that the guy that beat Spencer Lee (and would have beaten him without the pin) already has 4 losses this year (3 to NCAA opponents) yet so many people keep saying 125 is weak. Edited December 3, 2023 by 1032004 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. PeanutButter Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 3 hours ago, JimmyBT said: Good question. Might be a little early to tell but I’ll go with 125 at this point. The highest returner and last years runner up has multiple losses already this year. You might be right. Is it possible that Ramos losing actually makes 125 deeper than it appears? Perhaps Ramos isn't a good early season wrestler? He had some questionable losses early last season too. Heck, he got majored by DeAug at big ten's. Maybe he's just inconsistent and had the tourney of a lifetime last march 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyBT Posted December 3, 2023 Author Share Posted December 3, 2023 7 hours ago, 1032004 said: It’s weird that the guy that beat Spencer Lee (and would have beaten him without the pin) already has 4 losses this year (3 to NCAA opponents) yet so many people keep saying 125 is weak. Thanks for supporting the point. 4 losses and one to a jr in high school. 125 Lacks top tier talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 1 hour ago, JimmyBT said: Thanks for supporting the point. 4 losses and one to a jr in high school. 125 Lacks top tier talent. Well this goes back to my question of how are we defining “easiest”? Sure, if we’re defining it as how hard it would be for someone else to beat the top 1 or 2 guys, sure I’ll admit it’s probably 125. But 125 is super deep. 133 for example has 3 studs (I’m counting Crookham), 3 or 4 pretty good guys, then kinda drops off a cliff. In fact the 4/5/6 guys (Nagao, Orine and Latona, I’m counting Crookham as #3, silly for Intermat to have him as #5 IMO), all have losses to 3 different guys currently in the 125 field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyBT Posted December 3, 2023 Author Share Posted December 3, 2023 1 hour ago, 1032004 said: Well this goes back to my question of how are we defining “easiest”? Sure, if we’re defining it as how hard it would be for someone else to beat the top 1 or 2 guys, sure I’ll admit it’s probably 125. But 125 is super deep. 133 for example has 3 studs (I’m counting Crookham), 3 or 4 pretty good guys, then kinda drops off a cliff. In fact the 4/5/6 guys (Nagao, Orine and Latona, I’m counting Crookham as #3, silly for Intermat to have him as #5 IMO), all have losses to 3 different guys currently in the 125 field. Top. Tier. Talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkguy Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 I would say 125 is probably one of the hardest to win, since you know there is like 20 dudes who could win the whole thing. Kinda like 197 past year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyBT Posted December 3, 2023 Author Share Posted December 3, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, hawkguy said: I would say 125 is probably one of the hardest to win, since you know there is like 20 dudes who could win the whole thing. Kinda like 197 past year I’d much rather be in a bracket where I don’t have to worry about ending up on the same side of the bracket as a brooks or starocci. I’m pretty sure most would agree Edited December 3, 2023 by JimmyBT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 33 minutes ago, JimmyBT said: I’d much rather be in a bracket where I don’t have to worry about ending up on the same side of the bracket as a brooks or starocci. I’m pretty sure most would agree If my goal was to AA, I would much rather be at 133 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyBT Posted December 3, 2023 Author Share Posted December 3, 2023 11 minutes ago, 1032004 said: If my goal was to AA, I would much rather be at 133 You’re goal should be to win it all but ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachC Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 I think 125 is the easiest as well. That's another reason why I think it should be raised a bit, maybe 130. It brings more competitive talent to the weight class. Even small guys are cutting hard. I know a 125 guy who walks around over 140 out of season. Let him cut, but not to 125. Raise all the weights a few pounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 42 minutes ago, 1032004 said: If my goal was to AA, I would much rather be at 133 How's make'n weight gonna go for ya, fun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkguy Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 3 hours ago, JimmyBT said: I’d much rather be in a bracket where I don’t have to worry about ending up on the same side of the bracket as a brooks or starocci. I’m pretty sure most would agree Good chance if you're the number 5-8 guy at 197 or 174 you have a decent chance of placing at nationals. However if you're number 5-8 at 125 you have to probably beat 3 or 4 guys at your exact skill level to place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnwtwg Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 6 minutes ago, hawkguy said: Good chance if you're the number 5-8 guy at 197 or 174 you have a decent chance of placing at nationals. However if you're number 5-8 at 125 you have to probably beat 3 or 4 guys at your exact skill level to place And if you’re 5-8 at 125 you have a great shot to win it all. Not a deep weight that lacks firepower this season. i am an idiot on the internet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPhillips Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 4 hours ago, JimmyBT said: You’re goal should be to win it all but ok. Yet here we are... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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