bnwtwg Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 On 11/30/2023 at 6:51 PM, Gus said: Straw man argument. No one is saying that Allred sucks, just that Hidlay is more accomplished and likely to win a match against him. Allred has shown himself to be game beating Dean multiple times last year. Great double leg. Expand And Hidlay has shown himself to be susceptible to multiple in-season losses 5x so far and counting. So as my original thesis stated: On 11/30/2023 at 3:23 PM, bnwtwg said: On 11/30/2023 at 2:53 PM, nhs67 said: ( 6 ) Silas Allred, Nebraska - WIN via DEC 5-4 ( 2 ) Trent Hidlay, NC Stat Expand I could see this Expand 1 i am an idiot on the internet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Husker_Du Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 On 11/30/2023 at 6:06 PM, bnwtwg said: The same paper tiger Hidlay who only got *4th last year and 5th in '22 at NCAAs last year and drops matches every year? Expand Paper Tiger? WTF does that even mean? anyone who hasn't won a title is a paper tiger? 2x AA w/ lowest being 5th? every single loss of his career was to an All American. On 11/30/2023 at 7:27 PM, bnwtwg said: And Hidlay has shown himself to be susceptible to multiple in-season losses 5x so far and counting. So as my original thesis stated: Expand What in the sam hell are you talking about? He's lost two in-season matches in the last three + seasons. One to Keckeisen who he beat two weeks prior, and one to Hunter Bolen who he beat 4 times. 2 1 TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted November 30, 2023 Author Share Posted November 30, 2023 On 11/30/2023 at 8:22 PM, Husker_Du said: Paper Tiger? WTF does that even mean? anyone who hasn't won a title is a paper tiger? 2x AA w/ lowest being 5th? every single loss of his career was to an All American. What in the sam hell are you talking about? He's lost two in-season matches in the last three + seasons. One to Keckeisen who he beat two weeks prior, and one to Hunter Bolen who he beat 4 times. Expand Hunter Bolen. I wish he would have been able to bring home AA honors last year. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 On 11/30/2023 at 8:22 PM, Husker_Du said: Paper Tiger? WTF does that even mean? anyone who hasn't won a title is a paper tiger? 2x AA w/ lowest being 5th? every single loss of his career was to an All American. What in the sam hell are you talking about? He's lost two in-season matches in the last three + seasons. One to Keckeisen who he beat two weeks prior, and one to Hunter Bolen who he beat 4 times. Expand Pesky facts 2 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winners Circle Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 (edited) On 11/30/2023 at 8:22 PM, Husker_Du said: Paper Tiger? WTF does that even mean? anyone who hasn't won a title is a paper tiger? 2x AA w/ lowest being 5th? every single loss of his career was to an All American. What in the sam hell are you talking about? He's lost two in-season matches in the last three + seasons. One to Keckeisen who he beat two weeks prior, and one to Hunter Bolen who he beat 4 times. Expand Probably one of the most consistent guys in the country that's never won a title and people love to hate on the dude. 109-13 career record, outside of being pinned last year by Keckeisen (which most people would consider an outlier) and losing to Zahid 12-4 in Dec. of 2019 (RS Frosh year), the WORST loss of his career is 6-3 to Aaron Brooks. So yes, to back the Brain here, he's really freaking good and very underrated. Edited November 30, 2023 by MidwestWrest 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnwtwg Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 On 11/30/2023 at 8:36 PM, MidwestWrest said: Probably one of the most consistent guys in the country that's never won a title and people love to hate on the dude Expand I don't love to hate on him, I hope he wins although it is an uphill battle against Brooks and nothing more than bid timing of having the same years of birth. The same for Hayden and Nolf. I simply pointed out that he loses and I wouldn't be surprised if he is a paper tiger by way of omg how could the #1 seed ever lose and everyone lost their damn minds. This is why they wrestle the matches instead of deferring to WrestleStat. i am an idiot on the internet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogbone Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 (edited) On 11/30/2023 at 8:42 PM, bnwtwg said: I don't love to hate on him, I hope he wins although it is an uphill battle against Brooks and nothing more than bid timing of having the same years of birth. The same for Hayden and Nolf. I simply pointed out that he loses and I wouldn't be surprised if he is a paper tiger by way of omg how could the #1 seed ever lose and everyone lost their damn minds. This is why they wrestle the matches instead of deferring to WrestleStat. Expand It's okay to admit you either don't know what the phrase paper tiger means or you were wrong in claiming he was a paper tiger. Of course, the #2 preseed could lose before the finals, but people didn't "lose their minds" because you stated he could lose to Allred. Edited November 30, 2023 by Dogbone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted November 30, 2023 Author Share Posted November 30, 2023 On 11/30/2023 at 8:42 PM, bnwtwg said: I don't love to hate on him, I hope he wins although it is an uphill battle against Brooks and nothing more than bid timing of having the same years of birth. The same for Hayden and Nolf. I simply pointed out that he loses and I wouldn't be surprised if he is a paper tiger by way of omg how could the #1 seed ever lose and everyone lost their damn minds. This is why they wrestle the matches instead of deferring to WrestleStat. Expand I defer to Wrestlestat. Also, he is the #2 Seed. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted November 30, 2023 Author Share Posted November 30, 2023 On 11/30/2023 at 9:48 PM, Dogbone said: It's okay to admit you either don't know what the phrase paper tiger means or you were wrong in claiming he was a paper tiger. Of course, the #2 preseed could lose before the finals, but people didn't "lose their minds" because you stated he could lose to Allred. Expand Kind of did. I lost mine. Mine doesn't matter, though. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnwtwg Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 On 11/30/2023 at 10:47 PM, nhs67 said: Also, he is the #2 Seed. Expand Guess who has two thumbs and wins no matter what? THIS GUY. Allred wins? Upset. Hidlay wins? Upset. This board? Upset. i am an idiot on the internet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offthemat Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 When do the brackets come out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted November 30, 2023 Author Share Posted November 30, 2023 On 11/30/2023 at 11:13 PM, Offthemat said: When do the brackets come out? Expand Like 9:30 AM tomorrow. US - Eastern. It is in Vegas so latwe-ish. 1 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 On 11/30/2023 at 11:32 PM, nhs67 said: Like 9:30 AM tomorrow. US - Eastern. It is in Vegas so latwe-ish. Expand They don't weigh in till 7 local so isn't that like 10et? I say in the next hour (registration just comple) or will be ~8am local time. Of course when Flo will be working and all are able to access brackets is a completely different question. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted November 30, 2023 Author Share Posted November 30, 2023 On 11/30/2023 at 11:37 PM, ionel said: They don't weigh in till 7 local so isn't that like 10et? I say in the next hour (registration just comple) or will be ~8am local time. Of course when Flo will be working and all are able to access brackets is a completely different question. Expand Absolutely correct... I thought the world revolved around me so I was assuming regular time my time. I expect brackets to be updated and accurate within an hour of the expexted start time, so sometime after 11:00 AM (US - Eastern). 1 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 On 11/30/2023 at 11:46 PM, nhs67 said: Absolutely correct... I thought the world revolved around me so I was assuming regular time my time. Expand Well if not the world pretty sure the board does ... or at least thought that's what MP said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offthemat Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 On 11/30/2023 at 11:32 PM, nhs67 said: Like 9:30 AM tomorrow. US - Eastern. It is in Vegas so latwe-ish. Expand I was wanting to work on them tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 On 11/30/2023 at 7:27 PM, bnwtwg said: And Hidlay has shown himself to be susceptible to multiple in-season losses 5x so far and counting. So as my original thesis stated: Expand If you are gonna lose isn't that the best time? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPhillips Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 On 11/30/2023 at 11:49 PM, ionel said: Well if not the world pretty sure the board does ... or at least thought that's what MP said. Expand He's a MFDOLL. All American in my book. He not only picks up the slack, but throws that shite over his shoulder and gets on with it... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnwtwg Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 On 12/1/2023 at 12:36 AM, ionel said: If you are gonna lose isn't that the best time? Expand 1 i am an idiot on the internet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul158 Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 On 11/30/2023 at 11:46 PM, nhs67 said: Absolutely correct... I thought the world revolved around me so I was assuming regular time my time. I expect brackets to be updated and accurate within an hour of the expexted start time, so sometime after 11:00 AM (US - Eastern). Expand Good job . Thanks for info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 On 12/1/2023 at 12:48 AM, MPhillips said: He's a MFDOLL. All American in my book. He not only picks up the slack, but throws that shite over his shoulder and gets on with it... Expand A turdbiscuit all-star! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPhillips Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 On 12/1/2023 at 12:58 AM, ionel said: A turdbiscuit all-star! Expand Not quite how it works... Kudos for making the effort. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 On 12/1/2023 at 1:00 AM, MPhillips said: Not quite how it works... Kudos for making the effort. Expand I feel like a missed the bus AGAIN! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 On 11/30/2023 at 11:37 PM, ionel said: They don't weigh in till 7 local so isn't that like 10et? I say in the next hour (registration just comple) or will be ~8am local time. Of course when Flo will be working and all are able to access brackets is a completely different question. Expand Nothing yet on Flo so I'm guessing 8ish am local Fri. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted December 1, 2023 Author Share Posted December 1, 2023 On 12/1/2023 at 1:04 AM, ionel said: I feel like a missed the bus AGAIN! Expand Did you even try to throw anything at it? Because if not then you technically did not miss. 1 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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