gimpeltf Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 I found that almost every NCAA rulebook since 1928 can be found on the NWHOF site. I wanted to look up something about the history of minimum and/or mandated mat sizes. But I found something about the actual meaning of pin fall! We, today, think of pin and fall as being equivalent terms. That's not how they thought about them years ago. A fall was when the shoulders touched the mat. For it to be a termination of the match, it had to be pinned down. In other words, in a controlled fashion and for a specified length of time (2 seconds early on). From the 1950 book as an example- RULE 15-FALLS AND NEAR FALLS 1. Pin Falls. Pin falls only shall count. (Flying or rolling falls shall not be considered.) Any part of both shoulders held in contact wIth the mat for an appreciable length of time constitutes a fall. (By an "appreciable length of time" is meant the Referee's sIlent count of two seconds. The two-second count shall start only after the Referee is in such position that he knows positively that both of the defensive contestant's shoulders are in contact wIth the mat, after which shoulders must be held in continuous contact wIth the mat for two seconds before a fall shall be awarded.) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 28 minutes ago, gimpeltf said: I found that almost every NCAA rulebook since 1928 can be found on the NWHOF site. I wanted to look up something about the history of minimum and/or mandated mat sizes. But I found something about the actual meaning of pin fall! We, today, think of pin and fall as being equivalent terms. That's not how they thought about them years ago. A fall was when the shoulders touched the mat. For it to be a termination of the match, it had to be pinned down. In other words, in a controlled fashion and for a specified length of time (2 seconds early on). From the 1950 book as an example- RULE 15-FALLS AND NEAR FALLS 1. Pin Falls. Pin falls only shall count. (Flying or rolling falls shall not be considered.) Any part of both shoulders held in contact wIth the mat for an appreciable length of time constitutes a fall. (By an "appreciable length of time" is meant the Referee's sIlent count of two seconds. The two-second count shall start only after the Referee is in such position that he knows positively that both of the defensive contestant's shoulders are in contact wIth the mat, after which shoulders must be held in continuous contact wIth the mat for two seconds before a fall shall be awarded.) You are doing the Lord's work here, @gimpeltf Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 (edited) It started out as such Happy Thanksgiving, now we are set back ~70 years and will have to start all over in an attempt to educate the swimmer. Edited November 23, 2023 by ionel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, ionel said: It started out as such Happy Thanksgiving, now we are set back ~70 years and will have to start all over in an attempt to educate the swimmer. Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 7 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said: When is that solar eclipse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 5 minutes ago, ionel said: When is that solar eclipse? Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D3 for LU Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 (edited) The first time any of us heard the term, PINFALL... D3 Edited November 23, 2023 by D3 for LU 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 You guys really need to study your history. The earliest known forms of bowling date back to ancient Egypt,[5] with wall drawings depicting bowling being found in a royal Egyptian tomb dated to 3200 BC and miniature pins and balls in an Egyptian child's grave about 3200 BC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 My first time Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offthemat Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, ionel said: You guys really need to study your history. The earliest known forms of bowling date back to ancient Egypt,[5] with wall drawings depicting bowling being found in a royal Egyptian tomb dated to 3200 BC and miniature pins and balls in an Egyptian child's grave about 3200 BC. Set’em up, knock’em down. Wherever the pins may fall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPhillips Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 27 minutes ago, D3 for LU said: He's a legacy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gimpeltf Posted November 23, 2023 Author Share Posted November 23, 2023 51 minutes ago, D3 for LU said: The first time any of us heard the term, PINFALL... D3 23 minutes ago, MPhillips said: He's a legacy... So is he- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Bryant Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 Now find where it was removed from the rulebook. You’ve ruined my Thanksgiving for the last time! 3 3 Insert catchy tagline here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 38 minutes ago, Jason Bryant said: Now find where it was removed from the rulebook. You’ve ruined my Thanksgiving for the last time! Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gimpeltf Posted November 23, 2023 Author Share Posted November 23, 2023 2 hours ago, Jason Bryant said: Now find where it was removed from the rulebook. You’ve ruined my Thanksgiving for the last time! It was there as late as 1954. Not in 1955. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 17 minutes ago, gimpeltf said: It was there as late as 1954. Not in 1955. Just checked the NCAA brackets for the early 50s and I see no fictitious pinfalls only falls. Once again, fake news fake thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 8 minutes ago, ionel said: Just checked the NCAA brackets for the early 50s and I see no fictitious pinfalls only falls. Once again, fake news fake thread. Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gimpeltf Posted November 23, 2023 Author Share Posted November 23, 2023 25 minutes ago, ionel said: Just checked the NCAA brackets for the early 50s and I see no fictitious pinfalls only falls. Once again, fake news fake thread. I'm talking about the rulebook. Not the brackets as currently printed. I quoted the rulebook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 21 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said: 13 minutes ago, gimpeltf said: I'm talking about the rulebook. Not the brackets as currently printed. I quoted the rulebook. I think we all understand how the swimmer could be lead astray. After all he is a self proclaimed know nothing with regard to the great sport of wrestling. But for a true wrestling fan to be fooled is most disappointing. Sure it may be true that some kid in west central PA back in the 50s claimed he "pinfalled" his opponent in the finals while winning "states" but we all know there are no high-school "states" tournament just as there is no ridiculous "pinfall" move. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Bryant Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 Me x @ionel Insert catchy tagline here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 22 minutes ago, Jason Bryant said: Me x @ionel I've got JB right where I want him Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Bryant Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 To my knowledge, the Hulkster never succumbed to a sleeper. Insert catchy tagline here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinfalls at States Posted November 24, 2023 Share Posted November 24, 2023 I approve of this topic 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPhillips Posted November 24, 2023 Share Posted November 24, 2023 1 minute ago, Pinfalls at States said: I approve of this topic @ionel 's arch enemy has entered the forum... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted November 24, 2023 Share Posted November 24, 2023 14 minutes ago, MPhillips said: @ionel 's arch enemy has entered the forum... double arch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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