lightweight Posted November 21, 2023 Author Share Posted November 21, 2023 Pitzer starts on the bottom. Nevills on top, but Pitzer trying to come out the back, then reverses him. But now Nevills reverses him 2-2. Ptzer escape. Pitzer head inside single. Stuck underneath all that weight. 3-2 at the end of period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightweight Posted November 21, 2023 Author Share Posted November 21, 2023 Nevills starts on the bottom. Pitzer riding hard with a tight waist. Get the wrist, briefly. Standup and roll but Pitzer follows. Another standup. Pitzer still on top, 45 seconds left. Pitzer riding tough. Pitzer has the wrist. RT locked. Hooks the ankle. Standup and escape for Nevills, but 4-3 with riding time for the victory! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightweight Posted November 21, 2023 Author Share Posted November 21, 2023 Here's something that I never say -- the heavyweights had the best match of the night. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightweight Posted November 21, 2023 Author Share Posted November 21, 2023 14 minutes ago, flyingcement said: Thanks for the updates @lightweight You're welcome. Good practice for me as the HS season starts next weekend. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingcement Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 12 minutes ago, lightweight said: You're welcome. Good practice for me as the HS season starts next weekend. Thanks again bud. Really exciting dual Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natty Boh Army Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 Just like last year, a great dual- didn't come out the way I wanted, but a fun match. Thoughts on the UMD side of things: It looks like Brown's early woes were indeed due to the cut, as he looked great at 133 against a top-20 opponent. Unfortunately, with Brown moving up, Sandoval gets bumped. Sandoval, while essentially a journeyman, is a far, far better wrestler than anyone MD has at 125. Keep Brown at 125 and Sandoval at 133, and we head into 141 with a very different score. Brown, however, obviously couldn't make 125, so its a moot point. Miller has looked very solid all season (aside from more or less stalling for 7+ straight minutes in the Tiger Style finals), and notched a signature win vs Mathews (who wrestled a very sloppy match). I am unsure why MD didn't go with Best at 65. Best isn't a ringer, but I don't see him getting teched by Heller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natty Boh Army Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 Great play-by-play, Lightweight- thanks. I paused my video for a few mins to check on my daughter, and came back to a "stream not found" error. I gave into temptation and read your posts, and I was glad I didn't sit through the final two matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSULou64 Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 First of all I lost my feed on the BTN+ which really sucks. Secondly, where are these announcers coming from? I have been watching matches on BTN+ and ESPN+ and haven't heard anything remotely good from any of them. Check that, forget good, I'll take something that isn't nonsense at this point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natty Boh Army Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 22 minutes ago, PSULou64 said: First of all I lost my feed on the BTN+ which really sucks. Secondly, where are these announcers coming from? I have been watching matches on BTN+ and ESPN+ and haven't heard anything remotely good from any of them. Check that, forget good, I'll take something that isn't nonsense at this point. Yeah, the kids announcing- and they both sounded like children- seemed to just be making crap up as they went. It kind of reminded me of reading AI created content where the general context is not entirely incorrect, but the actual phrasing is a mishmash of randomly selected words which are loosely related to the subject. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
11986 Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 43 minutes ago, Natty Boh Army said: Miller has looked very solid all season (aside from more or less stalling for 7+ straight minutes in the Tiger Style finals), and notched a signature win vs Mathews (who wrestled a very sloppy match). I don’t recall Cole Matthews giving up double digit points or getting bonused very often. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 4 hours ago, PSULou64 said: First of all I lost my feed on the BTN+ which really sucks. Secondly, where are these announcers coming from? I have been watching matches on BTN+ and ESPN+ and haven't heard anything remotely good from any of them. Check that, forget good, I'll take something that isn't nonsense at this point. They’re typically students I believe. For that reason I try to give them some slack. While these ones did have a few mishaps I thought they had good energy and communication skills, I’ve heard much worse. For example it wasn’t “like” or “you know” every other word. Much prefer IMO to the zero announcers that Flo provides sometimes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingcement Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, 1032004 said: They’re typically students I believe. For that reason I try to give them some slack. While these ones did have a few mishaps I thought they had good energy and communication skills, I’ve heard much worse. For example it wasn’t “like” or “you know” every other word. Much prefer IMO to the zero announcers that Flo provides sometimes For these lower to midlevel college matchups I view it as a learning experience for the likely student announcers. I try to view them similarly to the student drivers out on the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 10 hours ago, Natty Boh Army said: Just like last year, a great dual- didn't come out the way I wanted, but a fun match. Thoughts on the UMD side of things: It looks like Brown's early woes were indeed due to the cut, as he looked great at 133 against a top-20 opponent. Unfortunately, with Brown moving up, Sandoval gets bumped. Sandoval, while essentially a journeyman, is a far, far better wrestler than anyone MD has at 125. Keep Brown at 125 and Sandoval at 133, and we head into 141 with a very different score. Brown, however, obviously couldn't make 125, so its a moot point. Miller has looked very solid all season (aside from more or less stalling for 7+ straight minutes in the Tiger Style finals), and notched a signature win vs Mathews (who wrestled a very sloppy match). I am unsure why MD didn't go with Best at 65. Best isn't a ringer, but I don't see him getting teched by Heller Wouid the score have been much different with Brown at 125? Seems most likely scenario would’ve been something like a Brown decision win and a Sandoval loss by major. Of course one team point difference would have changed their chances going into 285. Speaking of Miller stalling, that was odd when he literally just laid on top of Matthews after hitting that 7 point move. He needs to take some “smart stalling” lessons from @pmilk I guess… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 Oh and someone needs to make a gif of those 3 consecutive mat returns from Brown. Shane Sparks is probably having wet dreams about that 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 1 hour ago, 1032004 said: Oh and someone needs to make a gif of those 3 consecutive mat returns from Brown. Shane Sparks is probably having wet dreams about that At this point they are wet daymares because he is probably having them while he is walking around and fully awake. For some that would be awkward. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightweight Posted November 21, 2023 Author Share Posted November 21, 2023 9 hours ago, flyingcement said: For these lower to midlevel college matchups I view it as a learning experience for the likely student announcers. I try to view them similarly to the student drivers out on the road. Only if you can avoid getting rear-ended by one of the student drivers. I don't think it is too much to ask that at least ONE of the two knows how the scoring works; the other one can simply read off the data that the AD provides about the wrestler's previous record, where else they went to school, win streaks, etc., and let the kid who knows something do the play by play. Especially given that BIG+ requires a paid subscription. I don't claim to be perfect, but I am doing it for free. Also, Pitt-Maryland were two ranked teams and it is a Monday early in the season, so it isn't like there was likely to be some huge scheduling conflict with booking announcers. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 Were there really many times they “didn’t know how the scoring works”? I noticed a couple but I think it was usually the result of the scoreboard being wrong. For example one time they said one guy got an escape in the first period before there was a takedown, but the scoreboard initially did show 1-0 before being corrected Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSULou64 Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 I know student drivers are necessary but I don't want to be in the car with them, or driving behind them going to the same place they are. In fact I'm only ok with them as long as they are going the opposite direction with a median in-between us. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightweight Posted November 21, 2023 Author Share Posted November 21, 2023 1 hour ago, 1032004 said: Were there really many times they “didn’t know how the scoring works”? I noticed a couple but I think it was usually the result of the scoreboard being wrong. For example one time they said one guy got an escape in the first period before there was a takedown, but the scoreboard initially did show 1-0 before being corrected Yes, they frequently called for back points when no takedown had been awarded. And they called a takedown when it was a reversal, which you should know because you are watching the match and you know where the wrestlers began the period. And, with the new college rules, when the official holds up two fingers it can't be a takedown anymore. I also noticed that the scoreboard operators were having problems, but this is not that unusual; if you're going to announce you have to watch the official and see what he is signaling. Especially when you have two sets of eyes in the booth. As I said in the post above, none of us are perfect, we all make mistakes. But those two (students? interns? communications majors?) aren't qualified to broadcast a wrestling match at this level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingcement Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 One of the announcers seemed to get stalemate and stalling confused. And at one pointed called a stallmate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gromit Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 (edited) 21 minutes ago, flyingcement said: One of the announcers seemed to get stalemate and stalling confused. And at one pointed called a stallmate. I believe the OG "stallmate" reference was made during the same NEB vs. PSU broadcast as the infamous "Coach Snyder wants an illegal fist in the back call on Penn State" comment. Edited November 21, 2023 by gromit 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gimpeltf Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 1 hour ago, gromit said: I believe the OG "stallmate" reference was made during the same NEB vs. PSU broadcast as the infamous "Coach Snyder wants an illegal fist in the back call on Penn State" comment. I believe they were calling that Manning was asking even though it was clearly Bryan in the shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offthemat Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 2 hours ago, flyingcement said: One of the announcers seemed to get stalemate and stalling confused. And at one pointed called a stallmate. That should be a thing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 8 minutes ago, Offthemat said: That should be a thing. Can’t remember if it was that dual or not, but an announcer pointed out that in one match there was a stall call on bottom, a stall call on top then a stalemate from essentially the same position Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offthemat Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 32 minutes ago, 1032004 said: Can’t remember if it was that dual or not, but an announcer pointed out that in one match there was a stall call on bottom, a stall call on top then a stalemate from essentially the same position The only way the guy on top can stall is if the guy on bottom is stalling too. Stallmate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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