Jerry Callo Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 (edited) Have there been other weights where there have been 3 NCAA champs like 165 this year? It also is possible we could see all 3 in Chattanooga for the Southern Scuffle. Pretty cool stuff! Edited November 25, 2022 by Jerry Callo Typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 @Wrestleknownothing? I believe the question is directed at you, ya robart. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 Also, imagine if Lewis decided to take a serious run at 74 KG just after the season and made the drop to 165 as well. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MNRodent Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 (edited) 2008, 149 weight class had about 6 NCAA finalists I believe. Metcalf, Schlatter, Burroughs, Churella, Jenkins, Caldwell, Palmer, etc. Edited November 25, 2022 by MNRodent 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 42 minutes ago, nhs67 said: @Wrestleknownothing? I believe the question is directed at you, ya robart. 1 hour ago, Jerry Callo said: Have there been other weights where there have been 3 NCAA champs like 165 this year? It also is possible we could see all 3 in Chattanooga for the Southern Scuffle. Pretty cool stuff! I have been thinking about this very thing. Sadly my data on champions is not str4uctured well to do this (it is somewhat summary level), but I will attempt a work around. Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Callo Posted November 25, 2022 Author Share Posted November 25, 2022 1 hour ago, MNRodent said: 2008, 149 weight class had about 6 NCAA finalists I believe. Metcalf, Schlatter, Burroughs, Churella, Jenkins, Caldwell, Palmer, etc. I could have this wrong but I believe that in 2008 Schlatter was the only champ up until that time, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crablegs Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 5 minutes ago, Jerry Callo said: I could have this wrong but I believe that in 2008 Schlatter was the only champ up until that time, no? That is correct. 2017 184 had Nickal, Martin, and Dean, but Nickal hadn’t one a title yet heading in. Similar with 2018 125 that had Cruz and NATO as previous champs. Neither of them made the finals losing to future multiple time champs Suriano and Lee. Can’t think of a time there were 3 previous champs in the same NCAA bracket, but I’d think it has happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aknipp Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 2009 157, Burroughs (returning AA but 1st time finalist) Poeta. Returning finalist. Going for 3rd, former champs Leen and Gillespie. DNP former 149 champ Schlatter. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Callo Posted November 25, 2022 Author Share Posted November 25, 2022 Close - but the Gophers had an AA at 157 in 2009 and it was not DS. They had no entry at 149 though. So it looks like only Leen and Gregor Gillespie were defending champs at 157 in 2009. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aknipp Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Jerry Callo said: Close - but the Gophers had an AA at 157 in 2009 and it was not DS. They had no entry at 149 though. So it looks like only Leen and Gregor Gillespie were defending champs at 157 in 2009. My bad. I could swear DS was in the tourney but hurt and didn't place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Callo Posted November 26, 2022 Author Share Posted November 26, 2022 It’s all good. Unusual circumstance for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
11986 Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 (edited) 1982 177 bracket had Schultz, Banach, Reiss who all had titles prior to that year Edited November 26, 2022 by 11986 Edit 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Callo Posted November 26, 2022 Author Share Posted November 26, 2022 Good call! It looks like Reiss (NC St) did not even place that year. I guess once every 40 years is worthy of note, eh? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H82Lose Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 165 is DEEP, it will be a fun weight to watch for sure. Personally I am pulling for O'Toole to win it, Carr being my second choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idaho Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 Like last year…Griffith Sponsored by INTERMAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antitroll2828 Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 20 hours ago, Crablegs said: That is correct. 2017 184 had Nickal, Martin, and Dean, but Nickal hadn’t one a title yet heading in. Similar with 2018 125 that had Cruz and NATO as previous champs. Neither of them made the finals losing to future multiple time champs Suriano and Lee. Can’t think of a time there were 3 previous champs in the same NCAA bracket, but I’d think it has happened. 2018 184 had nickel , Martin , dean and foster 4 champs…only 2 had won at this point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crablegs Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 15 minutes ago, Antitroll2828 said: 2018 184 had nickel , Martin , dean and foster 4 champs…only 2 had won at this point Good call. Really makes you think the whole nostalgia over that 149 class is a bit overblown. There are a lot of weights that have 4-5 future champs/finalists in them. Judging how tough a weight is by future placements is really pretty dumb. Why did everyone start thinking this was a good way to look at it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antitroll2828 Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 8 hours ago, Crablegs said: Good call. Really makes you think the whole nostalgia over that 149 class is a bit overblown. There are a lot of weights that have 4-5 future champs/finalists in them. Judging how tough a weight is by future placements is really pretty dumb. Why did everyone start thinking this was a good way to look at it? Agreed definitely overblown…2016 141 had Heil, gross , Ashnault all champs , then add in McKenna 3rd twice and 2nd, ..Meredith 3x AA 2nd 2x ..Kevin jack 4x AA , Micah Jordan 3x AA and ncaa finalist, a few other multiple time AAs as well …you can say that’s tougher than that 149 bracket too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPhillips Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 Tell us the year that the 149 was overblown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 While I don't think comparing present accomplishments with career - in hindsight - isn't apples and oranges, it isn't what the OP was looking for. 2008 149 is definitely an all-timer. We all know and agree to this. It didn't have 2x JB, though. That hadn't happened yet. What weight classes had the most accomplishments congruently, nor cumulatively? This year's 165 has to be right up there. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPhillips Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 13 minutes ago, nhs67 said: 2008 149 is definitely an all-timer. Compared to the future that we weren't aware of...it's overblown... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 13 hours ago, MPhillips said: Compared to the future that we weren't aware of...it's overblown... 110% accurate. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPhillips Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, nhs67 said: 110% accurate. Of course it is brother. Unless a few of those gents above are NostraMFdamus. Edited November 27, 2022 by MPhillips Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadzaev2 Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 On 11/25/2022 at 12:09 PM, MNRodent said: 2008, 149 weight class had about 6 NCAA finalists I believe. Metcalf, Schlatter, Burroughs, Churella, Jenkins, Caldwell, Palmer, etc. Thanks, you just saved me some trouble...(well, maybe not)....lol JP O'connor 5/6/1 Jordan Burroughs 3/1/1 Josh Churella 7/4/2 Brent Metcalf 1/2/1 Darrion Caldwell 5/1 Dustin Schlatter 1/7/3 Lance Palmer 4/8/4/2 Bubba Jenkins 2/1 Ryan Lang 4/2 Jake Patacsil 5 8 NCAA Champions 13 NCAA Finalists 26 All-Americans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 35 minutes ago, Fadzaev2 said: Thanks, you just saved me some trouble...(well, maybe not)....lol JP O'connor 5/6/1 Jordan Burroughs 3/1/1 Josh Churella 7/4/2 Brent Metcalf 1/2/1 Darrion Caldwell 5/1 Dustin Schlatter 1/7/3 Lance Palmer 4/8/4/2 Bubba Jenkins 2/1 Ryan Lang 4/2 Jake Patacsil 5 8 NCAA Champions 13 NCAA Finalists 26 All-Americans What had those gents won PRIOR to the 2008 tournament taking place, though? JB hadn't even pulled a podium finish yet, had he? "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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