Which teams are the best 5 over the past 10 years?

[Dark Energy]

Clearly Penn State is #1.  I’m pretty confident Iowa is #2 but someone can prove me wrong.  Who would round out the top 5?  I’ll call these the upper echelon of D1 wrestling now. 

[Jason Bryant]

What are your stipulations?
NCAA finish? All Americans? Champs? Dual wins? Dual Rank. Conference titles? Academic finish tied to placement? APR?

Lots of ways to quantify an answer - just wondering where I should start with the data mining.

[Wrestleknownothing]

  On 10/28/2023 at 2:35 PM, Dark Energy said:

Clearly Penn State is #1.  I’m pretty confident Iowa is #2 but someone can prove me wrong.  Who would round out the top 5?  I’ll call these the upper echelon of D1 wrestling now. 

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Iowa is absolutely number 2 based on average NCAA finish. Can't remember the rest off the top on my head.

[Paul158]

Penn State number 1

Iowa or Ohio State number 2 and 3

[MidwestMan]

Just off my head without going back and doing the "homework", and with just a bit of home state bias: Michigan, Cornell, Mizzou.

[Wrestleknownothing]

 

  On 10/28/2023 at 2:35 PM, Dark Energy said:

Clearly Penn State is #1.  I’m pretty confident Iowa is #2 but someone can prove me wrong.  Who would round out the top 5?  I’ll call these the upper echelon of D1 wrestling now. 

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Will you accept Top 20 instead?

[Dark Energy]

JB - open to people’s best thinking.  Chart above looking like a good approach.  

[nhs67]

But hold on!  Clearly Smith is doing a horrible job at OSU and should be fired!

[Wrestleknownothing]

  On 10/28/2023 at 5:15 PM, nhs67 said:

But hold on!  Clearly Smith is doing a horrible job at OSU and should be fired!

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It is recency bias. He has had two rough finishes in the last 4 years. From 2019 they went 13, 3, 3, 14.

[MPhillips]

  On 10/28/2023 at 5:15 PM, nhs67 said:

But hold on!  Clearly Ryan is doing a horrible job at OSU and should be fired!

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FIFY

We hear this regularly...

[Paul158]

  On 10/28/2023 at 4:57 PM, Wrestleknownothing said:

 

Will you accept Top 20 instead?

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Another great job. Accepted.

[ionel]

  On 10/28/2023 at 4:57 PM, Wrestleknownothing said:

 

Will you accept Top 20 instead?

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So on average Penn St is not a national championship team and if we round to single digit they are a second place team.  Will Penn St be looking for a new coach?

[Dark Energy]

Looks like Ohio State is clearly top 5 … strong case for 3.

And yes OKState … I do admit to a recency bias!  Data tells a story that I didn’t recall.  All good.  For past 10 yrs strong case for top 5 even if have slipped.  Michigan on the other hand seems to have good momentum.

Cornell and Mizzou … also options for top 5.

[Hwt1]

But hold on! Clearly Dresser is doing a great job at ISU and should be coach of year!

Edited October 29, 2023 by Hwt1

[Gus]

Honestly surprised how low ASU is on the list. I thought they would be closer to 10 than 20. 

[Wrestleknownothing]

  On 10/29/2023 at 5:53 AM, Gus said:

Honestly surprised how low ASU is on the list. I thought they would be closer to 10 than 20. 

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They are the inverse Oklahoma State. Their last four are seventh best. Their first six are not in the top twenty.

[MPhillips]

  On 10/29/2023 at 12:49 AM, Dark Energy said:

Looks like Ohio State is clearly top 5 … strong case for 3.

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Clearly...

2013–14    6th
2014–15   1st
2015–16    3rd
2016–17    2nd
2017–18    2nd
2018–19    2nd
2019–20    Canceled
2020-21    9th
2021-22    13th

2022-23    4th

[boconnell]

  On 10/28/2023 at 6:34 PM, Wrestleknownothing said:

It is recency bias. He has had two rough finishes in the last 4 years. From 2019 they went 13, 3, 3, 14.

 

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It's also an issue of expectations.  When most teams have an occasional 14th, nobody cares.  When OSU has one (or two), it's noteworthy.  The same would be true if Iowa got a 14th.

[Wrestleknownothing]

Oops.

Thank you all for not pointing out that I had failed to include 2023 results in my prior table. I appreciate your forbearance.

Corrected:

[Dark Energy]

Well, then that is 11 years.  Please remove 2013.  

[ionel]

  On 10/30/2023 at 1:24 AM, Dark Energy said:

Well, then that is 11 years.  Please remove 2013.  

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Why is it I see a potential 3 way bet between Ban, Bob and Wkn?  

[Wrestleknownothing]

  On 10/30/2023 at 1:24 AM, Dark Energy said:

Well, then that is 11 years.  Please remove 2013.  

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No 2020.

  On 10/30/2023 at 1:31 AM, ionel said:

Why is it I see a potential 3 way bet between Ban, Bob and Wkn?  

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No three way. Why do you wish bad things for me?

[Wrestleknownothing]

Did a little something different with this one.

Rather than look at schools I decided to look at coaches. Using the top 10 schools that have had the same head coach for at least the last five seasons (sorry Cornell) I looked at their individual and average finishes over their tenure.

[Wrestleknownothing]

Then I looked at the best five year run for each:

Most interesting to me is that Manning is on his best 5 year run now in spite of the length of his career. Let's hear it @jajensen09

[ionel]

  On 10/30/2023 at 1:33 AM, Wrestleknownothing said:

No 2020.

No three way. Why do you wish bad things for me?

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Ban bad, Bob bad, betting bad.