Wrestleknownothing Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 Trump's legal team filed new arguments last night in the Washington federal election obstruction case. Presidential Immunity - conduct fell within "outer perimeter" of presidential duties. Selective Prosecution - politically motivated selective and vindictive. First Amendment - attempt to criminalize core political speech and advocacy Impeachment Acquittal - case violates separation of powers and double jeopardy. Due Process - could not be on notice that his conduct was potentially criminal because people challenge election results all the time. Invalid Conspiracy - defining what he did as deceit or trickery would criminalize vast swaths of citizenry. Obstruction Law -urging government officials to take certain actions didn't obstruct or impede their duties. Civil Rights - exercising his own right to contest does not violate others' rights. Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ban Basketball Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 And here I thought that Inmate #PO1135809's ROCK SOLID claim during his "presidency" of " presidential" harassment, which Inmate # PO1135809 said should give him another four years in office, would be his primary defense. Couldn't argue against that sound argument! Owner of over two decades of the most dangerous words on the internet! In fact, during the short life of this forum, me's culture has been cancelled three times on this very site! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VakAttack Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 "Outer perimeter of presidential duties" is a fun one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted October 24, 2023 Author Share Posted October 24, 2023 On 10/24/2023 at 5:18 PM, VakAttack said: "Outer perimeter of presidential duties" is a fun one. Expand I have only ever seen it in quotes Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 On 10/24/2023 at 4:17 PM, Wrestleknownothing said: Trump's legal team filed new arguments last night in the Washington federal election obstruction case. Presidential Immunity - conduct fell within "outer perimeter" of presidential duties. Selective Prosecution - politically motivated selective and vindictive. First Amendment - attempt to criminalize core political speech and advocacy Impeachment Acquittal - case violates separation of powers and double jeopardy. Due Process - could not be on notice that his conduct was potentially criminal because people challenge election results all the time. Invalid Conspiracy - defining what he did as deceit or trickery would criminalize vast swaths of citizenry. Obstruction Law -urging government officials to take certain actions didn't obstruct or impede their duties. Civil Rights - exercising his own right to contest does not violate others' rights. Expand Lawyers lawyering ... there being paid well, correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted October 24, 2023 Author Share Posted October 24, 2023 On 10/24/2023 at 7:03 PM, ionel said: Lawyers lawyering ... there being paid well, correct? Expand They are billing a lot. Not sure they are getting paid well. That will be the follow on lawsuit. 1 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrestlingRasta Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 On 10/24/2023 at 7:03 PM, ionel said: Lawyers lawyering ... there being paid well, correct? Expand His former lawyers would be a great resource for that question. Wait, they’re in prison, or under indictment, or in a lawsuit against him, or…..damn. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 Well I always heard lawyering was all about the billable hours so ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 On 10/24/2023 at 8:25 PM, WrestlingRasta said: His former lawyers would be a great resource for that question. Wait, they’re in prison, or under indictment, or in a lawsuit against him, or…..damn. Expand But his lawyers will be allowed a phone call, correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offthemat Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortaJohn Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 On 10/24/2023 at 8:32 PM, ionel said: Well I always heard lawyering was all about the billable hours so ... Expand Don't give @VakAttack any ideas. Not looking to get a bill in my Intermat inbox for "forum advice" 1 I Don't Agree With What I Posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mspart Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 On 10/30/2023 at 3:04 AM, Offthemat said: Expand This ^ mspart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatWhiteNorth Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 On 10/30/2023 at 5:47 PM, mspart said: This ^ mspart Expand Don't forget that Trump was the president who decided to assassinate an Iranian top military commander, although being advised against it by basically everyone in the US intelligence and political community due to potential increased instability in the region. If you think what's been happening since then isn't linked to that specific move... maybe think again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 On 10/31/2023 at 5:44 AM, GreatWhiteNorth said: Don't forget that Trump was the president who decided to assassinate an Iranian top military commander, although being advised against it by basically everyone in the US intelligence and political community due to potential increased instability in the region. If you think what's been happening since then isn't linked to that specific move... maybe think again. Expand And wasn't Obama the President who decided to assassinate a US citizen, what's your point? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreePointTakedown Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 On 10/30/2023 at 3:04 AM, Offthemat said: Expand I'm sorry you have political leans that would have you say something so stupid. Or are just a troll that needs your fix. When you, eventually, realize how far down the rabbit hole you went and are trying to come back, let us know. We can help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreePointTakedown Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 On 10/31/2023 at 3:18 PM, ionel said: And wasn't Obama the President who decided to assassinate a US citizen, what's your point? Expand Whataboutism doesn't offer solutions. Just kicking the can down the road. Making people more tribal. The situation in south west asia is a similar situation. Both responsible for violence that shouldn't be tolerated let alone carried out. But still happened. How to fix/prevent it, for next time? ... and go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 On 10/31/2023 at 4:01 PM, ThreePointTakedown said: Whataboutism doesn't offer solutions. Just kicking the can down the road. Making people more tribal. Expand Pretty sure you meant that reply for GWN. ;_; 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offthemat Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatWhiteNorth Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 On 10/31/2023 at 3:18 PM, ionel said: And wasn't Obama the President who decided to assassinate a US citizen, what's your point? Expand What's my point? Read my last post... the point is crystal clear. Trump invited more conflict with Iran. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mspart Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 On 11/1/2023 at 2:13 AM, GreatWhiteNorth said: What's my point? Read my last post... the point is crystal clear. Trump invited more conflict with Iran. Expand And what did Iran do while he was president? What has Iran done while Biden has been president? mspart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plasmodium Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 On 11/1/2023 at 5:13 PM, mspart said: And what did Iran do while he was president? What has Iran done while Biden has been president? mspart Expand Directly attacked the US military. Multiple times. For the first time, ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mspart Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 On 11/1/2023 at 5:55 PM, Plasmodium said: Directly attacked the US military. Multiple times. For the first time, ever. Expand After Trump had their chief dude Qasem Soleimani killed? mspart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plasmodium Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 On 11/1/2023 at 6:14 PM, mspart said: After Trump had their chief dude Qasem Soleimani killed? mspart Expand Yes, in response to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mspart Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 I didn't remember that so googled it and found that Iran responded with a futile missile attack on Iraqi/US positions that caused no harm to US servicemen. Was there more than this? You said multiple times. It seems that there was no war with Iran that I recall so tensions did not apparently escalate. mspart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plasmodium Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 On 11/1/2023 at 6:43 PM, mspart said: I didn't remember that so googled it and found that Iran responded with a futile missile attack on Iraqi/US positions that caused no harm to US servicemen. Was there more than this? You said multiple times. It seems that there was no war with Iran that I recall so tensions did not apparently escalate. mspart Expand No one was killed in the attacks on two military bases with about 20 ballistic missiles but it resulted in over 100 injuries and about 60 Purple Hearts. Not exactly futile and it is the only time the USA has ever been attacked with ballistic missiles. They also shot down a drone in the Persian gulf resulting in some brash threats of escalation from Trump and many rocket attacks occurred (and continue to occur) from Iranian proxies. You can decide whether that is closer to conflict or not, but there were certainly times when tensions were higher under Trump. Pretty sure I know where your narrative will take you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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