Coach trey Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 Be on the look out for 125 Jamarcus smith over at Indian hills who was nationally ranked in the top 10 @106 lbs his sr year was a 3x Michigan state placer 2x @112 lbs and a state champ his sr year @106lbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 7 hours ago, Coach trey said: Be on the look out for 125 Jamarcus smith over at Indian hills who was nationally ranked in the top 10 @106 lbs his sr year was a 3x Michigan state placer 2x @112 lbs and a state champ his sr year @106lbs Does he have D1 aspirations? Will he do his 2 (3) years then look at a place like Michigan State? You can be an undersized 125lber at the JUCO level. He needs some serious growth to succeed higher. 1 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitleIX is ripe for reform Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 Was it a good idea to eliminate the 118 lbs. weight class in college that we had as recently as the late 1980s or early 1990s? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexRef Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 8 minutes ago, TitleIX is ripe for reform said: Was it a good idea to eliminate the 118 lbs. weight class in college that we had as recently as the late 1980s or early 1990s? There are lighter guys out there that would/could go 118. Most of them couldn't go 118 for more than 2 seasons, but a lot of teams need kids at 125 and 133 too. It falls on the coaches to get out there and find them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitleIX is ripe for reform Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 I worry that restoring the 118 lbs. weight class would encourage unhealthy weight cutting more often than not. At least with other sports, folks who are "almost that light" aren't required to cut weight just to get to compete. There are pros and cons to the elimination of the 118lbs. weight class. I didn't see evidence of much resistance after the elimination happened though. I wasn't exactly ideally situated for detecting disapproval, however. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMW Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 57 minutes ago, TitleIX is ripe for reform said: Was it a good idea to eliminate the 118 lbs. weight class in college that we had as recently as the late 1980s or early 1990s? yes, it was 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitleIX is ripe for reform Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 I'd be interested to know why you think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom formerly Tofurky Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 Coach Spree has really put Indian Hills on the map, and knows how to develop student-wrestlers. Their 125 from last year was another Michigander (Lakeshore) who earned seventh place at Nationals this past season. This young man landed in a good place for himself right now. That said, I was just having this conversation with another poster: it's pretty rare for D1s to recruit from NJCAAs anymore. Most kids have their grades squared away ahead of time, especially once they identify where they want to go. Spending five years at a four year school is what most folks want, as well as the coaches who are recruiting the. That said, this approach has had a direct impact upon the depth of NJCAAs, and it's not like it was up until the early 2000s. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leg rider Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 I was a 112lber my senior year of high school and I was undersized as a 125lber in college and have wished they had 118lbs when I went through 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunaticfringe Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 You are one of few. Outside of the occasional Zach Sanders and Brandon Paulson, a lot of these 125’s are Jayson Ness or Nick Simmons sized Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lu1979 Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 5 hours ago, TexRef said: There are lighter guys out there that would/could go 118. Most of them couldn't go 118 for more than 2 seasons, but a lot of teams need kids at 125 and 133 too. It falls on the coaches to get out there and find them. The 118 lb. weight was eliminated in the 1998-1999 season when they added the 7 lbs. to all of the weights due to the deaths of some wrestlers that year from weight cutting. I was 118 way back in the 70s and I weigh less now than my natural walking around weight was then (138 lbs.) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitleIX is ripe for reform Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 Thanks. I remember the deaths and the allegations that Creatin was to blame. I appreciate your helping me align my memory of the 118 lbs. weight class elimination better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach trey Posted October 13, 2023 Author Share Posted October 13, 2023 Kid already has a year of college experience just transferred there from a d2 program size won’t be a problem he’ll be fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stealyphil223 Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 15 hours ago, TitleIX is ripe for reform said: Thanks. I remember the deaths and the allegations that Creatin was to blame. I appreciate your helping me align my memory of the 118 lbs. weight class elimination better. It wasn't just creatine to blame. It was the combination of extreme dehydration, wearing plastic suits, sauna use while dehydrated, supplements, cutting 20+lbs, etc. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitleIX is ripe for reform Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 Indeed. Anyhow I vaguely recall that around 3 wrestlers died within a few months of one another, maybe in 1997. We haven't had the same problem since the reforms went into effect, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHROMEBIRD Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 I wonder what is the class distribution of D1 125 pounders looks like. Wkn probably knows. Intuitively, the weight could skew younger (lots of underclassmen) as many guys grow out of the weight. If we bring back 118 the advantage would be even more pronounced for older guys who can make the weight and compete mostly with younger, less experienced wrestlers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitleIX is ripe for reform Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 What weight class would be sacrificed if 118lbs. returns? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ban Basketball Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 21 hours ago, Tom formerly Tofurky said: Coach Spree I know that I could check myself, but Cole Spree? I remembered watching him in high school at A-P and then as a JUCO wrestler, if I remember the latter correctly. Owner of over two decades of the most dangerous words on the internet! In fact, during the short life of this forum, me's culture has been cancelled three times on this very site! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gimpeltf Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 Nobody died from weight cutting before 1997 either as far as anyone knows. It was a little crazy but how many millions of weighins does that include? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow_Medal Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 I was a 112lber my senior year of high school and I was undersized as a 125lber in college and have wished they had 118lbs when I went throughI was in the same boat. 103 in hs and 125 in college. I lifted and got strong and didn’t have to cut much in college. It was actually a good thing, but my coach lamented that I would have been the perfect 118 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ban Basketball Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 UNI had a decent 125 pounder a few years ago that was exactly the same way. He actually worked hard to get UP to anywhere near 125. 1 Owner of over two decades of the most dangerous words on the internet! In fact, during the short life of this forum, me's culture has been cancelled three times on this very site! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow_Medal Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 UNI had a decent 125 pounder a few years ago that was exactly the same way. He actually worked hard to get UP to anywhere near 125.Not that this will ever actually happen, but if they instituted mat-side weigh-ins and we got to everyone at their (mostly) natural weight, I think people would be surprised how many 118s there would actually be 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ban Basketball Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 18 minutes ago, Yellow_Medal said: Not that this will ever actually happen, but if they instituted mat-side weigh-ins and we got to everyone at their (mostly) natural weight, I think people would be surprised how many 118s there would actually be I have a grandson who is well on his way to being a lifetime 106 pounder, and I'm not really kidding. Almost 11 years old and 50 pounds. 1 Owner of over two decades of the most dangerous words on the internet! In fact, during the short life of this forum, me's culture has been cancelled three times on this very site! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom formerly Tofurky Posted October 14, 2023 Share Posted October 14, 2023 14 hours ago, Ban Basketball said: I know that I could check myself, but Cole Spree? I remembered watching him in high school at A-P and then as a JUCO wrestler, if I remember the latter correctly. Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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