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Round Robin - UNI 184 Edition (ADD YOURS!)


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Greetings All,

I was meandering about... being a fan and all that.  I randomly decided to think about how I wanted Parker Keckeisen to go 197 last season because of how soundly Brooks had defeated him at the NWCA All-Star Classic.

Some schools just churn out badass after badass after badass at certain weights... It then got me thinking about the last ten years of wrestling at schools and we currently have a PK thread on the front page here.

If we were to go back the last ten years (easy to use Wrestlestat to help although once you're before 2015/2016 the ELO ratings are complete shit)... anyways... if we were to go back ten years we have UNI with five (5) different starters who were all NQ previously.  How does a Round Robin go with these gents...

Parker Keckeisen (2021 3rd, 2022 3rd, 2023 2nd)
Taylor Lujan (2020 1st - Seeded #1 in cancelled 2020 NC)
Drew Foster (2017 7th, 2018 R16, 2019 1st)
Cody Caldwell (2015 DNQ, 2016 DNQ)
Ryan Loder (2014 R12)

To break it further down...

SEASON WRESTLER WINS LOSSES PLACE ELO
2023 Parker Keckeisen 26 2 2nd 1628
2022 Parker Keckeisen 30 2 3rd 1574
2021 Parker Keckeisen 18 1 3rd 1507
2020 Taylor Lujan 28 2 1st 1562
2019 Drew Foster 28 5 1st 1528
2018 Drew Foster 26 6 NQ 1473
2017 Drew Foster 26 6 7th 1465
2016 Cody Caldwell 8 10 DNQ 1300
2015 Cody Caldwell 14 8 DNQ 1305
2014 Ryan Loder 15 4 R12 1399

I am curious how folks think a Round Robin looks here.  This is what I think...

Keckeisen - 4W-0L
Foster - 3W-1L
Lujan - 2W-2L
Loder - 1W-3L
Caldwell - 0W-4L

Another reason I bring this up is that had PK gone 197 last year I imagine he would have gone it this year, which puts Wyatt Voelker at 184 for them... which he still can do after PK graduates (or next season?).

Just dabbling and bored.

Discuss.

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I think Lujan just wouldn't have anything for Keckeisen.  At all.  While I do think Foster could make it interesting with PK I do think Lujan also has a very real chance to beat Foster.  I barely remember Loder, but I know he would very much be in the matches (he was up there towards 120 career wins wasn't he and a three time Blood Round loser - taking 7th his soph or junior season?).  I think Caldwell is out of his element entirely.

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Tough call,  but going off of watching them for all those years:

Keckeisen

Lujan

Loder

Foster

Caldwell.

Loder was only a one-time AA, placing 7th, but,  man,  that guy was so talented.  I'd see him beating Foster. 

 

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You'd get to see them all battle right now,  as Lujan and Foster still wrestle with the Panther Wrestling Club, so all three do some battling. 

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3 hours ago, nhs67 said:

I think Lujan just wouldn't have anything for Keckeisen. 

I actually thought long and hard about this,  but chose Kecheisen. Lujan's out of this world funk just makes predicting his matches a tough task. 

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2 hours ago, Ban Basketball said:

You'd get to see them all battle right now,  as Lujan and Foster still wrestle with the Panther Wrestling Club, so all three do some battling. 

I am hoping to see them at one tournament in some way, shape, or form before or at OTT for 86 KG.

Foster has proven to be the better 86 KG guy having made it further when they have been in the same brackets.

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PSU 197

2012 Morgan McIntosh NQ

2013 Quentin Wright 1st

2014 Morgan McIntosh 7th

2015 Morgan McIntosh 3rd

2016 Morgan McIntosh 2nd

2017 Matt McCutcheon R12

2018 Shakur Rasheed 7th

2019 Bo Nickal 1st

2021 Michael Beard 7th

2022 Max Dean 1st

2023 Max Dean 7th

I think I like Bo Nickal in the round robin followed by Wright, McIntosh, Dean, Rasheed, McCutcheon and Beard.

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Cornell 184:

2002:  Wattenberg 5th

2003:  Wattenberg 6th

2005:  Baier 2nd

2006:  Mazzurco 6th

2007:  Arnone: 8th

2011:  Bozak 4th

2012:  Bozak 1st

2013:  Bozak 3rd

2014:  Dean 3rd

2015:  Dean 1st

2016:  Dean 1st

2017:  Dean 2nd

2018:  other Dean 8th

2019:  other Dean 2nd

2020/2021:  N/A

2022:  Loew 8th

No contest for winner or 2nd.

 

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These are all good... now tell me how you think they would go in a Round Robin, gents...

10 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

PSU 197

2012 Morgan McIntosh NQ

2013 Quentin Wright 1st

2014 Morgan McIntosh 7th

2015 Morgan McIntosh 3rd

2016 Morgan McIntosh 2nd

2017 Matt McCutcheon R12

2018 Shakur Rasheed 7th

2019 Bo Nickal 1st

2021 Michael Beard 7th

2022 Max Dean 1st

2023 Max Dean 7th

I think I like Bo Nickal in the round robin followed by Wright, McIntosh, Dean, Rasheed, McCutcheon and Beard.

Give me best version of each wrestler and how you think a Round Robin goes (meaning MM can only be once, Dean once, etc)

9 hours ago, BigRedFan said:

Cornell 184:

2002:  Wattenberg 5th

2003:  Wattenberg 6th

2005:  Baier 2nd

2006:  Mazzurco 6th

2007:  Arnone: 8th

2011:  Bozak 4th

2012:  Bozak 1st

2013:  Bozak 3rd

2014:  Dean 3rd

2015:  Dean 1st

2016:  Dean 1st

2017:  Dean 2nd

2018:  other Dean 8th

2019:  other Dean 2nd

2020/2021:  N/A

2022:  Loew 8th

No contest for winner or 2nd.

 

Same to you, please.  While I was thinking 184 for UNI I remembered that at one point Cornell was considered '184U' for a bit there.

9 hours ago, Konquest said:

Bryan Snyder, Jordan Burroughs, James Green, Tyler Berger, Peyton Robb

Going back a bit with the Snyder one... but okay.  Give me yours.  And ONLY use their best college season and folkstyle results please.  157 JB =/= 165 JB =/= Freestyle 74 KG or 79 KG JB

9 hours ago, Antitroll2828 said:

Spencer Lee, Gilman ,Clark , Ramos , McDonough

Not bad, but Ramos was only 125 as a redshirt.  That Ramos gets torn apart - HARD.  Likely Clark does as well too as he was the best version of himself at 133.  How do you think that Round Robin goes?  I think Spencer beats McDonough beats Gilman (keep in mind 57 KG weaponized Gilman =/= 125lb collegiate Gilman) beats Clark beats Ramos.

8 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

Wasn't Ramos a career 133?

See above, mate.  Technically counts... but 125 Ramos was small and meek compared to his collegiately successful 133lb Ramos.

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13 hours ago, nhs67 said:

I am hoping to see them at one tournament in some way, shape, or form before or at OTT for 86 KG.

Foster has proven to be the better 86 KG guy having made it further when they have been in the same brackets.

I've noticed that Foster has done better. 

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ancient history, Iowa 126

1983 Barry Davis 1st

1984 Mark Trizzino 4th

1985 Davis 1st

1986 Brad Penrith 1st

1987 Penrith 2nd

1988 Penrith 2nd

1989 Tom Brands 4th

1990 Terry Brands 1st

1991 Terry Brands 2nd

1992 Terry Brands 1st

 

 

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33 minutes ago, 11986 said:

ancient history, Iowa 126

1983 Barry Davis 1st

1984 Mark Trizzino 4th

1985 Davis 1st

1986 Brad Penrith 1st

1987 Penrith 2nd

1988 Penrith 2nd

1989 Tom Brands 4th

1990 Terry Brands 1st

1991 Terry Brands 2nd

1992 Terry Brands 1st

 

 

I was hoping someone would go in the way back machine. Tbere has to be an Oklahoma State run from back in the day, too.

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1 hour ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

I was hoping someone would go in the way back machine. Tbere has to be an Oklahoma State run from back in the day, too.

guessing Ok St may have had a better run, but lazily just looked at same years I laid out for Iowa/126, this time Ok St 134:

1983: Clar Anderson 1st

1984: Anderson 5th

1985: John Smith 2nd

1986: Leo Bailey 4th

1987: Smith 1st

1988: Smith 1st

1989: Chuck Barbee 5th

1990: Chris Owens 4th

1991: Alan Fried 2nd

1992: Fried 2nd

of course Smith is the guy here but a decade of hammers

 

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On 10/6/2023 at 11:50 AM, 11986 said:

guessing Ok St may have had a better run, but lazily just looked at same years I laid out for Iowa/126, this time Ok St 134:

1983: Clar Anderson 1st

1984: Anderson 5th

1985: John Smith 2nd

1986: Leo Bailey 4th

1987: Smith 1st

1988: Smith 1st

1989: Chuck Barbee 5th

1990: Chris Owens 4th

1991: Alan Fried 2nd

1992: Fried 2nd

of course Smith is the guy here but a decade of hammers

 

Smith then Fried.  

Smith vs Fried. Fried was an 18 yr old Senior wrestling at STED Ohio.  Bob Dieli is the announcer and he is in the Ohio and National Wrestling Hall of Fame. He spent over 25 years broadcasting wrestling on local cable TV, known as "Matside with Bob Dieli." His mantra was when life doesn't make sense, Wrestle. 

Fried loses to Smith 13-4 I believe. Dieli is legendary in CBUS. His announcing is worth the listen. 

 

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4 hours ago, MPhillips said:

Smith then Fried.  

Smith vs Fried. Fried was an 18 yr old Senior wrestling at STED Ohio.  Bob Dieli is the announcer and he is in the Ohio and National Wrestling Hall of Fame. He spent over 25 years broadcasting wrestling on local cable TV, known as "Matside with Bob Dieli." His mantra was when life doesn't make sense, Wrestle. 

Fried loses to Smith 13-4 I believe. Dieli is legendary in CBUS. His announcing is worth the listen. 

 

Did Bob Dieli pass away?

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