mspart Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 So this is what I have for weights that are qualified: 74 Dake 86 Taylor 97 Snyder 125 Parris What are the qualifiers for 57 and 65 that we need to win? Pan Am? Is there some other tourney? mspart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 21 minutes ago, mspart said: So this is what I have for weights that are qualified: 74 Dake 86 Taylor 97 Snyder 125 Parris What are the qualifiers for 57 and 65 that we need to win? Pan Am? Is there some other tourney? mspart Pan Ams. Top two go from there, so we typically want to be opposite side as Cuba. For the right to get the chance to be our OG qualifier for those games any medalist from adjacent weights and in this cycle can 'challenge' for the right to be the guy. For 57 KG, for example, Gilman, Fix, and Arujau can challenge Richards. For 65 KG, Johnny D or Zain Retherford can challenge. Arujau and Fix can also technically challenge Lee as well. Whoever wins what would end up being a 'mini tournament' would then earn the right to wrestle at Pan Ams. 1 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 If I am Arujau... do I throw my hat in the ring for the 65 KG chance on the off-chance that he has to wrestle Zain first, to wear him out for Johnny D in R2? "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 (edited) If the weight is not qualified at Pan Ams there is a last chance qualifier that is world wide. Top 3 qualify the weight so they wrestle to true third. Pan Ams does not wrestle to true second. Both finalists qualify the weight. Edited October 4, 2023 by Wrestleknownothing 2 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mspart Posted October 4, 2023 Author Share Posted October 4, 2023 Thank you for the information. I'd say the pressure is on whoever shows up. mspart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 1 hour ago, nhs67 said: If I am Arujau... do I throw my hat in the ring for the 65 KG chance on the off-chance that he has to wrestle Zain first, to wear him out for Johnny D in R2? I think Diakomihalis challenges for sure. Does that then get Retherford to challenge so that he can wear out Diakomihalis for his buddy Lee? Does that then get Arujau to challenge so that he can get a chance to wear out Retherford for his buddy Diakomihalis? What then if Retherford and Diakomihalis meet first? Is it like a bracket? One guy gets a bye to round two? Who gets the bye? Is it random? Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnwtwg Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 Pan Ams is going to have more expats than a Hong Kong finance convention. Hopefully there are as few pre-finals matchups as possible. At 57 (US rep, RBY, Cruz) and 65 (US rep, Gomez, O'Neill) at least one person will have to go to the global last chance. 1 1 i am an idiot on the internet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnwtwg Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 2 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said: Is it like a bracket? One guy gets a bye to round two? Who gets the bye? Is it random? I read it to be a ladder match scenario but that would be akin to the old ways. A deadline to challenge followed by a mini tourney is a much better scenario for all. i am an idiot on the internet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrestlingRasta Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 Yianni all but said he was going to challenge right away. I haven’t heard anything about the others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 2 hours ago, WrestlingRasta said: Yianni all but said he was going to challenge right away. I haven’t heard anything about the others. I think he tweeted something along the lines of, "it's time to take back what's mine." Which cracked me up. It's not like he was stripped of the title. He lost. Twice. 2 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnwtwg Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 (edited) It really does not seem to be advantageous to any of the challengers to do so. They force themselves to make scratch 3x instead of just once if they win: challenge tourney/match + Pan Am + OTT. Especially at 57. Knowing how tough the cut is for Gilman, Vito, Fix, and Richards it really does seem silly to make weight multiple times when the strategic advantage is to only make Richards make it 2x (Pan Am + OTT). At least Vito can sit until the semis (and same with Retherford if he decides to cut back down to *65 which the eye test says will be a tough cut). I get the whole competitor’s mentality aspect but strategically I don’t. Edited October 4, 2023 by bnwtwg 1 i am an idiot on the internet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 It is possible that his tweet was referring to the Oly Trials, not the Pan Am challenge process. One man's confusion is another man being intentionally vague. Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gimpeltf Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said: Does that then get Retherford to challenge so that he can wear out Diakomihalis for his Buddy Lee? Edited October 4, 2023 by gimpeltf 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 8 minutes ago, gimpeltf said: Buddy Lee? 1 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHROMEBIRD Posted October 5, 2023 Share Posted October 5, 2023 26 minutes ago, gimpeltf said: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerDurden Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 On 10/4/2023 at 7:20 PM, Wrestleknownothing said: I think he tweeted something along the lines of, "it's time to take back what's mine." Which cracked me up. It's not like he was stripped of the title. He lost. Twice. Nick Lee has owned Yanni. Frankly, I'm not sure Nick Lee doesn't have a World Silver if he has Rivera's draw...but I digress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 24 minutes ago, TylerDurden said: Nick Lee has owned Yanni. Frankly, I'm not sure Nick Lee doesn't have a World Silver if he has Rivera's draw...but I digress. Given that Lee is undefeated against Rivera in both styles, including a 13-2 win in Zagreb in February, I think I know the answer. 1 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mspart Posted October 6, 2023 Author Share Posted October 6, 2023 So I'm confused about how the person will be chosen to represent the US at 57 and 65 at Pan Ams and at the last chance? Does anyone know how that works? mspart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 30 minutes ago, mspart said: So I'm confused about how the person will be chosen to represent the US at 57 and 65 at Pan Ams and at the last chance? Does anyone know how that works? mspart A date hasn't been set for the 'challenge' matches to happen, however the criteria in which they can challenge has been laid out. The last chance are after OTT. This is the only chance someone can have to challenge for the right to go to Pan Ams. Now if they qualify the weight at Pan Ams (Top 2), then they automatically get the 1 seed at OTT (Zain and Arujau already have the #2 seeds and a bye to the semi-finals, so this would apply to Johnny D or Lee at 65 KG and Richards, Gilman, or Fix at 57 KG). "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mspart Posted October 6, 2023 Author Share Posted October 6, 2023 Thanks for the info NHS. I'm getting that Pan Ams is before OTT and last chance is after. So I'm still unclear on the mechanism to choose the guy for Pan Ams. Current WTT member or they have a special fight? Last Chance should be the OTT winner for the weight I'm thinking. mspart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnwtwg Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 27 minutes ago, mspart said: Thanks for the info NHS. I'm getting that Pan Ams is before OTT and last chance is after. So I'm still unclear on the mechanism to choose the guy for Pan Ams. Current WTT member or they have a special fight? Last Chance should be the OTT winner for the weight I'm thinking. mspart Current WTT member unless challenged. Olympic Last Chance will be the OTT winner but hopefully will not need to be attended because whoever goes to Pan Am continental qualifier at 57 and 65 gets the job done. 1 i am an idiot on the internet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mspart Posted October 6, 2023 Author Share Posted October 6, 2023 Agreed. Thanks BNW. So it is the challenge that I am confused about. This would have to happen before OTTs. How will that work? mspart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnwtwg Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 56 minutes ago, mspart said: Agreed. Thanks BNW. So it is the challenge that I am confused about. This would have to happen before OTTs. How will that work? mspart It will happen before Pan Ams but the date to submit a challenge and the date(s) of said challenge have not been publically released yet. Challenge TBD Pan Ams Feb 1-3 OTT Apr19-20 Olympic global last chance May 9-12 Olympics Aug 5-11 i am an idiot on the internet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mspart Posted October 6, 2023 Author Share Posted October 6, 2023 Sounds like this will be confusing for awhile until USAW comes out with a statement. A challenge? Best 2 of 3? If more than one challenger, a round robin tourney? Best 2 of 3? Too many questions. mspart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnwtwg Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 4 hours ago, mspart said: Sounds like this will be confusing for awhile until USAW comes out with a statement. A challenge? Best 2 of 3? If more than one challenger, a round robin tourney? Best 2 of 3? Too many questions. mspart It is single elimination for the challengers. That winner will take on Richards and Lee best of three. 1 i am an idiot on the internet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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