RandolphTJones Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 So with Worlds being completed what are everyone's prediction at this point on who our freestyle reps are going to be, assuming we qualify every weight? 57kg: 65kg: 74kg: 86kg: 97kg: 125kg: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barracuda141 Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 Big issue will be the weight cuts. Can Vito and Zain descend to 57 and 65kg respectfully and still perform at a high level? If yes.. 57- Vito 65- Zain 74- Dake 86- DT 97- Snyder 125- Parris. If not.. 57- Gilman 65- Nick Lee or Alirez 74- Dake 86- DT 97- Snyder 125- Parris Either way Bloodround wrestling is going to be furious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 As a reminder... this is how stupid 57 KG will look (Arujau), 65 KG will look (Retherford), 86 KG will look (Valencia). For 57 KG and 65 KG the topside Semi-final winners will move on the the best of three finals against the bottom side semifinals winner between the 61/70 KG medalists and bottom side quarter-finals match winner. For 86 KG, those winners will face off for the right to meet DT in the Bo3 Day 2. 2 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 There is a (small) chance Retherford goes 74 KG and not 65 KG, which doesn't really mean anything other than he must win two to get to the Bo3 rather than one. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
11986 Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 If Parris doesn't go that's shame. Not only because he's damn good but because for lazy journalism sake it's just too easy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 Without actually diving in to it to see who will get what seed... I think the topside of will be Richards (1) vs either Fix or Lee (4/5) in the semi-finals. I have Fix or Lee winning that one. It is possible NATO gets seeded over Lee, which pushes Lee to 6th. Not sure there. I don't think Colon gets a good seed. Could be 8/9 and play spoiler to Richards. I think Garrett probably tries to go up again? Not sure. Gross is definitely in there too for a 5/6 seed (maybe ahead of Lee as well?). Richards should be the 1 either way. I think Gilman gets the 2, Suriano the 3, Fix/Lee/Gross some combo of 4/5/6 with NATO possibly being 5 ahead of Gross/Lee. So for 57 KG I have this... and it's just... bonkers... Not sure on Desanto and Garrett as far as weights... 1 - Richards 2 - Gilman 3 - Suriano 4 - Fix 5 - Desanto 6 - NATO 7 - Gross 8 - Lee 9 - Colon 10 - Comacho That is bonkers right? So I have Lee (Sorry @ILLINIWrestlingBlog) VS Fix in the topside Semifinals. I have Gilman-Suriano in the bottom QF for the right to meet Arujau. I think Arujau beats Suriano but not Gilman and I think Gilman-Suriano is a toss-up, but Gilman-Gross is also a toss-up as is Suriano-NATO. Styles make matches. Gilman destroys NATO but not Suriano and Gross is a bad matchup for Suriano, but Gilman isn't. Add in that Arujau is going to be at least a couple/few hours after weigh-ins and fresh. Either way I have Arujau VS a healthy Lee in the finals. I still have faith in Lee. If Garrett goes down then he goes in above Fix at the 4 seed. If Desanto goes up, move everyone up. My guess is Desanto goes down and Garrett goes up. Arujau, weighed in and in a best of three up against Lee? I think Arujau is just too fast and takes it. Recency bias aside... if he makes that decent well... his toughest test will be Gilman who has already had at least two (2) tough matches before he meets him. 57 KG - Arujau 3 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 All that order can be jumbled up... and I expect it to actually. I expect Gilman to challenge for the right to go to the Pan Am qualifiers and I expect him to beat Richards this time. I am not sure on Arujau and Fix at this point as far as challenging. Both have a season to compete at 133lbs. Both will have difficulty making 57 KG and then competing at 133 against the likes of Nagao and Latona. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 I also expect Johnny D to challenge Lee for the right to win at Pan Ams, although I think Lee wins that one again. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 65 KG will be just as bonkers to seed. 1 - Lee 2 - Johnny D 3 - McKenna 4 - Kolodzik 5 - Bartlett 6 - Henderson 7 - Ashnault 8 - Lovett 9 - Lugo 10 - Pletcher Where do Pantaleo and Garrett slide in? Pantaleo before McKenna and Garrett after McKenna? Puts it as... 1 - Lee 2 - Johnny D 3 - Pantaleo 4 - McKenna 5 - Garrett 6 - Kolodzik 7 - Bartlett 8 - Henderson 9 - Ashnault 10 - Lovett 11 - Lugo 12 - Pletcher These are guesses, btw. Not sure. Is Oliver giving it a go this time? He could be the 1, 2, 3, or 4 right? Brandon Wright might get a seed in there somehow... not sure how they intend to seed this. Anyways lets assume Oliver doesn't give it a go. I have Lee over McKenna in the top half semi-finals. I have Pantaleo over Johnny D in the QF for the right to see a well rested Retherford in which Retherford wins. I have Retherford beating Lee in the best of three on Day 2. 65 KG - Retherford "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 74 KG is pretty straightforward. I don't think anyone except JB is making it through that bracket (with a note that Marsteller has said he is going 86 KG). I think Nolf has an outside chance to beat JB and that he will be the one in the Day 1 finals against JB. I don't think Stalrocci will make the semi-finals. I think Dieringer, depending on seed, could play spoiler. That said, my pick is Dake over JB in two straight (again). 74 KG - Dake "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 86 KG is interesting in that Zahid Valencia... the guy who lost to Brooks now gets a bye to the semi-finals on the bottom side (HA. HA. HA.). Without monkeying around for it, I think it ends up being Brooks over Valencia in the Day 1 finals to lose to DT in Bo3 Day 2 Finals. There are lot of 79 KG gents that could play spoiler to some of the key matchups. Most of the 92 KG gents are going to head up and just aren't on the level of 86 KG gents (see Valencia, Zahid). Would I be surprised to see Hall beat Brooks topside? No. Hidlay on bottomside to beat Valencia? No. He is the only one I think has the tools to keep it close enough for a late surge aside for Brooks. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 97 KG is going to be Cox winning the challenge tournament then losing to Snyder in the Bo3. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 125 KG I hope we don't see Steveson... although I wouldn't be surprised to see him. If we do he beats Parris in two straight. If we don't, I am hoping we see the next generation at HWT do damage. Hendrickson, Kerkvliet, Cassioppi, and Davison, that is. I want a Hendrickson - Gwiazdowski matchup. We all know that Zillmer and Bradley will play spoiler to someone somewhere unless Zillmer goes back down... which maybe he does something surprising on Cox? I doubt it. I have Parris over... pick a random name out of the hat of the four 'new' gents... Cassioppi... since he will be focusing on Freestyle (haha?)... two straight. 1 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 57 - Arujau 65 - Retherford 74 - Dake 86 - Taylor 97 - Snyder 125 - Parris 1 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gus Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 35 minutes ago, nhs67 said: 65 KG will be just as bonkers to seed. 1 - Lee 2 - Johnny D 3 - McKenna 4 - Kolodzik 5 - Bartlett 6 - Henderson 7 - Ashnault 8 - Lovett 9 - Lugo 10 - Pletcher Where do Pantaleo and Garrett slide in? Pantaleo before McKenna and Garrett after McKenna? Puts it as... 1 - Lee 2 - Johnny D 3 - Pantaleo 4 - McKenna 5 - Garrett 6 - Kolodzik 7 - Bartlett 8 - Henderson 9 - Ashnault 10 - Lovett 11 - Lugo 12 - Pletcher These are guesses, btw. Not sure. Is Oliver giving it a go this time? He could be the 1, 2, 3, or 4 right? Brandon Wright might get a seed in there somehow... not sure how they intend to seed this. Anyways lets assume Oliver doesn't give it a go. I have Lee over McKenna in the top half semi-finals. I have Pantaleo over Johnny D in the QF for the right to see a well rested Retherford in which Retherford wins. I have Retherford beating Lee in the best of three on Day 2. 65 KG - Retherford Don't forget Andrew Alirez who just beat Aliyev 8-0 a couple months back. He will definitely be a factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 21 minutes ago, Gus said: Don't forget Andrew Alirez who just beat Aliyev 8-0 a couple months back. He will definitely be a factor. Where could/would he be seeded? He will by using an Oly-shirt so I think he will be a factor for sure. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gus Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 10 minutes ago, nhs67 said: Where could/would he be seeded? He will by using an Oly-shirt so I think he will be a factor for sure. His seeding will likely depend on the Bill Farrell and the Senior Nationals resutls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandolphTJones Posted September 20, 2023 Author Share Posted September 20, 2023 2 hours ago, nhs67 said: 57 - Arujau 65 - Retherford 74 - Dake 86 - Taylor 97 - Snyder 125 - Parris I think Arujau has to be the guy at 57kg. Personally hopoing Gable comes back for 1 more gold. I think Cox pushes Snyder. Maybe Valencia bumps? 65kg still the "weakest" USA weight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gus Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 57 - Vito 65 - Alirez 74 - Dake 86 - DT 97 - Snyder 125 - Gable 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnwtwg Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 2 hours ago, nhs67 said: 97 KG is going to be Cox winning the challenge tournament then losing to Snyder in the Bo3. He might as well give 125 a go because he can't make 86 and he can't show up for 97. Might as well take the weight gain seriously. 1 i am an idiot on the internet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHROMEBIRD Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 I haven't really considered Final X byes but: 57 - Gilman 65 - Yianni 74 - Dake 86 - Taylor 97 - Snyder 125 - Parris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnwtwg Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 57 Spencer. This is it. This is the hill I'm tearing my ACLs on. 65 Yianni. Beats Lee day 1, McKenna the bridesmaid once again Day 2 74 Dake. Nolf over JB day 1 86 Taylor. Zahid over Brooks day 1 97 Snyder. Cox over Moore day 1. 125 Parris (unless Gable decides to show up and hustle freestyle fans again). Hendrickson over Kerk day 1 2 i am an idiot on the internet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, bnwtwg said: He might as well give 125 a go because he can't make 86 and he can't show up for 97. Might as well take the weight gain seriously. I am still annoyed/pissed he didn't just give 125 KG a go when he weighed in just over 97 KG. Remember when everyone was like "HE WOULDN'T DO SHIT" then Zillmer went up and won the spot? Yeah. Cox is far superior than Zillmer. 1 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 1 minute ago, CHROMEBIRD said: I haven't really considered Final X byes but: 57 - Gilman 65 - Yianni 74 - Dake 86 - Taylor 97 - Snyder 125 - Parris OTT is not like Final X. Day 1 is all of the challenge tournament. Day 2 is Best of Three. All Olympic weight medalists sit with a bye to Day 2, so Dake, Taylor, Snyder, and Parris. 1 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnwtwg Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 1 minute ago, bnwtwg said: 57 Spencer. This is it. This is the hill I'm tearing my ACLs on. 1 minute ago, bnwtwg said: Nolf over JB day 1 Let the court records show that I called both my shots same as I picked Zane, Lee, and Chance 2023 and won the 2019 Final X confidence pool. 1 i am an idiot on the internet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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