How many more for Taylor

[Lleynor]

Until he gets MT. Rushmore consideration? 3 worlds and an Olympic Gold is crazy. 

If he would've won the 2021 World, would he get the consideration already?

[ionel]

23 minutes ago, Lleynor said:

Until he gets MT. Rushmore consideration? 3 worlds and an Olympic Gold is crazy. 

If he would've won the 2021 World, would he get the consideration already?

Has he won 6 gold in a row including 2 Olympic? 

[CHROMEBIRD]

25 minutes ago, Lleynor said:

Until he gets MT. Rushmore consideration? 3 worlds and an Olympic Gold is crazy. 

If he would've won the 2021 World, would he get the consideration already?

Jimmy? Is that you?

[bnwtwg]

Mathematical zero. He and Dake could not beat JB.

[Lleynor]

9 hours ago, bnwtwg said:

Mathematical zero. He and Dake could not beat JB.

Well, that's 1 of 4. There's 3 other spots I see. And JB was a 74 Phenom, as Taylor is now one at 86. 

[steamboat_charlie]

If he wins next year I think he is on it.  Smith, Bruce, Burroughs, Taylor.  

[moodybooty]

1 hour ago, steamboat_charlie said:

If he wins next year I think he is on it.  Smith, Bruce, Burroughs, Taylor.  

Who else gets that fourth spot right now? David seems like he fits on this list already.

[Eagle26]

Who else gets that fourth spot right now? David seems like he fits on this list already.

Snyder. He also has 3 world golds and an Olympic gold. He also has several silvers behind one the greatest of all time wrestlers

[Gus]

1 hour ago, moodybooty said:

Who else gets that fourth spot right now? David seems like he fits on this list already.

Snyder

[WrestlingRasta]

There should be two mount rushmores, the Soviet era and the post soviet era. 
 

It is exponentially more difficult to win a medal/gold now. 

[moodybooty]

1 hour ago, Eagle26 said:

Snyder. He also has 3 world golds and an Olympic gold. He also has several silvers behind one the greatest of all time wrestlers

That's fair. I'm letting recency bias take over. It's crazy to think that Kyle Snyder's younger than David Taylor, yet took over his weight a few years earlier.

[peanut]

Right now the most world-level golds for US wrestlers are:

• JB- 7
• Smith- 6
• Bruce- 5
• Snyder, Taylor, Dake- 4

(Dake has a chance to make it 5 shortly.)

[CHROMEBIRD]

4 hours ago, Lleynor said:

Well, that's 1 of 4. There's 3 other spots I see. And JB was a 74 Phenom, as Taylor is now one at 86. 

Not to take away from Taylor's accomplishments, but Wrestling Mt. Rushmore is pretty crowded.

We go through this exercise every year but there's no agreement on how to objectively measure our top 4. Is an Olympic medal worth more than World gold? Do we adjust metrics for post-USSR competition? Banned countries? # of weight classes? College record? Super low cut singlets?

Taylor has 1 Olympic medal (gold) + 4 World medals (3 gold 1 silver). Where does he fit in this list, which doesn't even include Gable, Cael, Rulon, Kemp, and many others frequently mentioned in discussions of our all-time greats.

Bruce Baumgartner: 4 (2G 1S 1B) + 9 (3G 3S 3B)
John Smith: 2 (2G) + 4 (4G)
Helen Maroulis: 2 (1G 1S) + 6 (3G 2S 1B)
Kyle Snyder: 2 (1G 1S) + 6 (3G 2S 1B)
Kenny Monday: 2 (1G 1S) + 2 (1G 1S)
Rulon Gardner: 2 (1G 1B) + 1 (1G)
Jordan Burroughs: 1 (1G) + 9 (6G 3B)
Adeline Gray: 1 (1S) + 8 (6G 2B)  *2023 Worlds TBD
Dave Schultz: 1 (1G) + 6 (1G 3S 2B)
Kyle Dake: 1 (1B) + 5 (4G 1TBD)  plus he hasn't lost to Taylor since they were kids
David Taylor: 1 (1G) + 4 (3G 1S)
 

[AgaveMaria]

Adeline Gray, 6 Gold, 1 Silver, 2 Bronze.

 

[jchapman]

Multiple Olympic Gold winners have to be on my Mt. Rushmore, Mehnert, Smith, Baumgartner.  Snyder with two Oly Finals and three World Golds edges out JB for the fourth spot on my list.  Obviously I weigh Olympic success heavily.  Peterson brothers and Monday get HM.

Edited September 18, 2023 by jchapman

[Perry]

Wrong thread

Edited September 18, 2023 by Perry

[Pinnacle]

He lost one opportunity when he got injured at BTS to a guy not even in his stratosphere. Lost a second opportunity to Covid? My memory is shot on this chit, but that sounds plausible. 

I think since he started winning he probably would have won those two years as well, but just my take on it. 

[peanut]

41 minutes ago, jchapman said:

Multiple Olympic Gold winners have to be on my Mt. Rushmore, Mehnert, Smith, Baumgartner.  Snyder with two Oly Finals and three World Golds edges out JB for the fourth spot on my list.  Obviously I weigh Olympic success heavily.  Peterson brothers and Monday get HM.

Nothing like putting Mehnert -- who competed when guys rolled off their coach and into the Olympics -- ahead of 7x champ Burroughs.

Edited September 18, 2023 by peanut

[WrestlingRasta]

4 minutes ago, Pinnacle said:

He lost one opportunity when he got injured at BTS to a guy not even in his stratosphere. Lost a second opportunity to Covid? My memory is shot on this chit, but that sounds plausible. 

I think since he started winning he probably would have won those two years as well, but just my take on it. 

He didn't really lose an opportunity to covid, they still had the olympics, and then the 21 worlds (his lone loss)

Edited September 18, 2023 by WrestlingRasta

[Pinnacle]

Just now, WrestlingRasta said:

He didn't really lose an opportunity to covid, they still had the olympics, and then the 21 worlds (his lonw loss)

I could not recall what was postponed and what was not.

[jchapman]

3 minutes ago, peanut said:

Nothing like putting Mehnert -- who competed when guys rolled off their coach and into the Olympics -- ahead of 7x champ Burroughs.

Mehnert didn't compete when there were World Championship tournaments.  He only had the opportunity to compete on the world stage every four years at the Olympics, and he went 2 for 2.  

[AnklePicker]

8 minutes ago, jchapman said:

Mehnert didn't compete when there were World Championship tournaments.  He only had the opportunity to compete on the world stage every four years at the Olympics, and he went 2 for 2.  

So Burroughs won 6 world titles and 1 Olympic title and he’s behind a guy who won 1 Olympic title 3 world titles?  Wow.  

[BuckyBadger]

Taylor’s overall number of Gold medals at 4 may not be as high as some, but in my mind the quality of his medals is about as high as it gets.

Next to Sadulaev, Yazdani was supposed to be the next great one. If it wasn’t for Taylor he would have 4 more golds with his current stash putting him in the argument for great ones.

What Taylor accomplished to move up in weight and basically own the series with a guy the caliber of Yazdani can’t be overstated.

For me he is on easily on Mt. Rushmore with a gold at the Olympics next year.

[Perry]

What about the years that Taylor lost to Burroughs, dake, cox? Those certainly have to factor in

[nhs67]

I think DT calls it after the Olympics, personally.  He has nothing to prove that he hasn't already proved and should be looking in to his next phase.   I hope he lands a HC gig somewhere.