AgaveMaria Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 I know a number of Veterans of military service won NCAA titles in the years after WWII. How about since then? Especially since Vietnam to our current teams. ” Never attribute to inspiration that which can be adequately explained by delusion”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Cinnabon Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 Matt Brown, Penn State + Army Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gimpeltf Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 3 minutes ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said: Matt Brown, Penn State + Army Really? (I know who's talking here so I probably shouldn't bother) He didn't enlist until AFTER PSU. He Mormon missioned after HS prior to PSU. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Cinnabon Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 1 minute ago, gimpeltf said: Really? (I know who's talking here so I probably shouldn't bother) He didn't enlist until AFTER PSU. He Mormon missioned after HS prior to PSU. OP asked about military veterans who won NCAA titles. He didn't specify that they had to be enlisted before winning the title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
11986 Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 Charlie Jones/Purdue 167 champ in 1992. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 8 minutes ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said: OP asked about military veterans who won NCAA titles. He didn't specify that they had to be enlisted before winning the title. By saying "veterans of military service won" it is reasonable to assume the order of operations is veteran first, followed by title, rather than the other way around. However, the title could be read oppositely. 1 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Cinnabon Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 7 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said: By saying "veterans of military service won" it is reasonable to assume the order of operations is veteran first, followed by title, rather than the other way around. However, the title could be read oppositely. Semantics. OP can clarify but I doubt he intended to exclusively ask about NCAA champs who served BEFORE winning a title. Why would that matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 1 minute ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said: Semantics. OP can clarify but I doubt he intended to exclusively ask about NCAA champs who served BEFORE winning a title. Why would that matter? Indeed it is semantics. But you say it dismissively. Semantics is another way of saying words have meanings. Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Cinnabon Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 24 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said: Indeed it is semantics. But you say it dismissively. Semantics is another way of saying words have meanings. So if the OP had asked about "U.S. Presidents who won spelling bees" you would only list people who were president first before winning a spelling bee? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 1 hour ago, Wrestleknownothing said: Indeed it is semantics. But you say it dismissively. Semantics is another way of saying words have meanings. Wait ... what! I thought only data tables had meaning carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 1 hour ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said: So if the OP had asked about "U.S. Presidents who won spelling bees" you would only list people who were president first before winning a spelling bee? Come on, you can do dumber than that. 1 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Elite Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 32 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said: Come on, you can do dumber than that. Can he? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interviewed_at_Weehawken Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 Bronze Star recipient Bill Koll, father of PSU wrestling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgaveMaria Posted September 17, 2023 Author Share Posted September 17, 2023 4 hours ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said: Semantics. OP can clarify but I doubt he intended to exclusively ask about NCAA champs who served BEFORE winning a title. Why would that matter? Cinneboy - semantica are important. Communication relys on clarity. That you are backwards may be easily explaned and some even tolerate it. Just as some tolerate you being a welsher when betting. Do some checking and work on your communication skills. Pay attention to how posts are worded and you will see reality. Double check when capitol letters are used as well. Can make a big difference. As in helping your Unele Jack off a horse compared to helping your uncle jack off a horse. Purosely being stupid is no way to go through life. ” Never attribute to inspiration that which can be adequately explained by delusion”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambatte Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 Greg Ruth From high school in PA, to Lehigh for two seasons, to four years in the United States Army, then two years at Oklahoma Univ., Greg Ruth forged a memorable record as a wrestler. He competed for the US in the 1960 and 1964 Olympics and was a 2x was NCAA champion for Oklahoma in 1965 and 1966. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Cinnabon Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 58 minutes ago, AgaveMaria said: Cinneboy - semantica are important. Communication relys on clarity. That you are backwards may be easily explaned and some even tolerate it. Just as some tolerate you being a welsher when betting. Do some checking and work on your communication skills. Pay attention to how posts are worded and you will see reality. Double check when capitol letters are used as well. Can make a big difference. As in helping your Unele Jack off a horse compared to helping your uncle jack off a horse. Purosely being stupid is no way to go through life. So you are saying you only wanted to ask about NCAA champs that were veterans BEFORE winning NCAA titles? If so, you need to correct a few other posters in this thread...because they are also citing wrestlers who served AFTER winning NCAA titles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gimpeltf Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 2 hours ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said: So you are saying you only wanted to ask about NCAA champs that were veterans BEFORE winning NCAA titles? If so, you need to correct a few other posters in this thread...because they are also citing wrestlers who served AFTER winning NCAA titles. I only see 3 other names mentioned. Koll- WWII before winning (although OP said or implied not including WWII vets), Ruth- service after Lehigh but before winning titles at OK, Jones- service before college. So who are these proud few others that screwed this up? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Cinnabon Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 (edited) 16 hours ago, AgaveMaria said: Cinneboy - semantica are important. Communication relys on clarity. That you are backwards may be easily explaned and some even tolerate it. Just as some tolerate you being a welsher when betting. Do some checking and work on your communication skills. Pay attention to how posts are worded and you will see reality. Double check when capitol letters are used as well. Can make a big difference. As in helping your Unele Jack off a horse compared to helping your uncle jack off a horse. Purosely being stupid is no way to go through life. You state "Communication relys [sic] on clarity" - now let me point out (in bold) all the grammatical and spelling mistakes you've made while arguing the importance of semantics and clarity in communication. Calling someone stupid when you made close to a dozen spelling and grammatical mistakes in typing out 2 paragraphs is rich. Error log: 1. It's "semantics" not "semantica". 2. Semantics is a branch of linguistics. It's a single subject so "are" is incorrect. It should be "semantics is important". 3. "Relies" not "relys". 4. In America the adjective is "backward" not "backwards". 5. "Explained" not "explaned". 6. It's "welcher" not "welsher". 7. It's "capital letters" not "capitol letters". 8. "Uncle" not "Unele". 9. It's "Purposefully" not "Purosely". Edited September 17, 2023 by Jimmy Cinnabon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgaveMaria Posted September 17, 2023 Author Share Posted September 17, 2023 O'Golly G Jimmy C Time out now while I go pee 1 ” Never attribute to inspiration that which can be adequately explained by delusion”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tripnsweep Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 I know it was after but Josh Glenn who won an NCAA title for American U became a Navy SEAL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 4 hours ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said: You state "Communication relys [sic] on clarity" - now let me point out (in bold) all the grammatical and spelling mistakes you've made while arguing the importance of semantics and clarity in communication. Calling someone stupid when you made close to a dozen spelling and grammatical mistakes in typing out 2 paragraphs is rich. Error log: 1. It's "semantics" not "semantica". 2. Semantics is a branch of linguistics. It's a single subject so "are" is incorrect. It should be "semantics is important". 3. "Relies" not "relys". 4. In America the adjective is "backward" not "backwards". 5. "Explained" not "explaned". 6. It's "welcher" not "welsher". 7. It's "capital letters" not "capitol letters". 8. "Uncle" not "Unele". 9. It's "Purposefully" not "Purosely". This is not our beloved Jimmy, who took our Jimmy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeryOldFormerGrappler Posted September 18, 2023 Share Posted September 18, 2023 On 9/16/2023 at 4:40 PM, 11986 said: Charlie Jones/Purdue 167 champ in 1992. Jones was very good. I was ahead of him at the Sun Devil Open Finals with less than 30 sec left and he hit me with a mind-boggling fast double leg TD to win the match. Very good person too. Wish he could've lasted much longer as the Eastern Michigan coach. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alces Alces Gigas Posted September 19, 2023 Share Posted September 19, 2023 On 9/16/2023 at 8:29 PM, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said: Bronze Star recipient Bill Koll, father of PSU wrestling Father of PSU wrestling? I don't think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interviewed_at_Weehawken Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 4 hours ago, Alces Alces Gigas said: Father of PSU wrestling? I don't think so. Is this "nit pick besmirch a war hero day?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alces Alces Gigas Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 Not at all, but it is hard to be the "father" of a program that started in 1909 when the coach in question wasn't born until 1923. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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