Gus Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 57 minutes ago, bnwtwg said: Agreed on all three of the above. And does everyone want to hear an unpopular but not-so-hot take? Because Steveson has no rankings points he will be randomly drawn into the bracket which could lead to three negative outcomes. Negative outcome #1 - he "only" gets silver. Negative outcome # 2 - the brackets are balanced with two of the Big 4 on each side, he loses to the finalist, then grabs a bronze. Negative outcome #3 - the worst scenario is an overloaded side featuring three of the Big 4. He could conceivably lose twice and go home with no medal. Am I saying it will happen? No - I think September 17th at approximately 12:30 CST he is doing another backflip. But this is why they wrestle the matches and it is absolutely in the realm of realistic. You can do the same exercise with Dake, Sidakov, and Kadimagomedov. Depending on the draw, one of the best in the world is potentially going home empty handed. I don't believe Sidakov is allowed to compete, correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPhillips Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 (edited) I definitely read something that made a point about the Russian wrestlers that were in the military wouldn't be able to compete. Don't know about the validity or if that has changed. I also heard Kozak say that France isn't going to allow the Russians or Belarussians in the country for the Olympics... Edited August 29, 2023 by MPhillips Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnwtwg Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 31 minutes ago, MPhillips said: I definitely read something that made a point about the Russian wrestlers that were in the military wouldn't be able to compete. Don't know about the validity or if that has changed. I also heard Kozak say that France isn't going to allow the Russians or Belarussians in the country for the Olympics... Gentlemen's bet Russia and Belarus are allowed to compete under the pretense that the war in Ukraine is still ongoing? They may boycott but my bet is that they are allowed to show up. i am an idiot on the internet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPhillips Posted August 29, 2023 Share Posted August 29, 2023 51 minutes ago, bnwtwg said: Gentlemen's bet I'll look around and hope to find one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnwtwg Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 3 hours ago, MPhillips said: I'll look around and hope to find one. i am an idiot on the internet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon_Kozak Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 19 hours ago, Gus said: I don't believe Sidakov is allowed to compete, correct? Russia has submitted all of its world team members to be vetted. We're still waiting to see the final list but I believe Sidakov will be in. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steamboat_charlie Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 21 hours ago, mspart said: Wondering why you have Snyder at Silver and not Gold? Is Sadulaev scheduled to be there? If not, I would say Snyder is the odds on favorite. Just my $0.02. I think Dake is Gold, Taylor is Gold, and Snyder is Gold. Steveson could be Gold but I'm hearing he is not completely 100% training FS. But that could just be rumor. I think the rest have the potential to medal. But probably won't. mspart I was operating under the assumption that Russia's #1's would be there. If any of them are not that obviously helps us everywhere, but most notably at 74 and 97. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mspart Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 Got it Steam. I'd like to see Dake vs Sidakov. That would be good. mspart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted September 5, 2023 Share Posted September 5, 2023 On 8/30/2023 at 12:22 PM, steamboat_charlie said: I was operating under the assumption that Russia's #1's would be there. If any of them are not that obviously helps us everywhere, but most notably at 74 and 97. I would argue 61 KG as well. Arujau could lose to a few guys that aren't Russian (Dake and Snyder have failed to meet Russo's in the finals as well rather recently), but the only one I just don't see him being able to beat is the Russo. That puts peak for him at Silver or Bronze as well. 2 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 Entries is updated... https://arena.uww.org/weight-category/1ee3cbae-f1ff-6c1c-96f1-d54d04edeeec 1 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spladle08 Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 1 hour ago, nhs67 said: Entries is updated... https://arena.uww.org/weight-category/1ee3cbae-f1ff-6c1c-96f1-d54d04edeeec No Sidakov is fairly sad,Valiev isn't much of a step down (as far as who he's an underdog against) but just doesn't get those sexy dominant wins. 3-2 vs Urrrbody (slight exaggeration) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 7 minutes ago, Spladle08 said: No Sidakov is fairly sad,Valiev isn't much of a step down (as far as who he's an underdog against) but just doesn't get those sexy dominant wins. 3-2 vs Urrrbody (slight exaggeration) Are you saying he is the 74 KG Russian form of Will.I.Am.Lewan? 1 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spladle08 Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 Just now, nhs67 said: Are you saying he is the 74 KG Russian form of Will.I.Am.Lewan? 100% Hard to pick against, but you're going to be disappointed you were right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 1 minute ago, Spladle08 said: 100% Hard to pick against, but you're going to be disappointed you were right. Going 3-2 against the deepest field is a hard 'NO' from me. He won't get past any of the slew of other contenders in which Dake is the favorite. Dake wrestles 3x better the 2nd time he wrestles someone. That will show against the Belarusian. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spladle08 Posted September 11, 2023 Share Posted September 11, 2023 1 minute ago, nhs67 said: Going 3-2 against the deepest field is a hard 'NO' from me. He won't get past any of the slew of other contenders in which Dake is the favorite. Dake wrestles 3x better the 2nd time he wrestles someone. That will show against the Belarusian. I agree, Dake comes back from losses better than anyone, and yes, I don't think Valiev can win that many coin flops against this field. I stand by my initial thoughts. Dake is clear #1 Kadi could beat him, but my overwhelming guy feeling is "you can't beat him 2x" Tsalk is the most consistent not named Dake. Chamizo is my forever Silver Medal pick , with some strange luck Iran/Valiev/Demirtas/whoever......can all battle for a chance at bronze 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingOtoguro Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 I got Uguev, Magomedov, Otoguro, I don't care/Retherford? Sidakov, Usmanov, Taylor, Iran, Sadulaev and Zare. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 I reserve the right to enter my predictions when I see the brackets. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spladle08 Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 I reserve the right to enter my predictions when I see the brackets.Don't be so unconfident Sent from my Pixel 7 Pro using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spladle08 Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 Don't be so unconfident Sent from my Pixel 7 Pro using TapatalkLord, I gotta reset my Tapatalk signaturesSent from my Pixel 7 Pro using Tapatalk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnwtwg Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 16 minutes ago, Spladle08 said: Lord, I gotta reset my Tapatalk signatures Sent from my Pixel 7 Pro using Tapatalk Might as well hold out and make a sig bet i am an idiot on the internet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spladle08 Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 Might as well hold out and make a sig betLol Chamizo wins 74kg or i'll change my sig to ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted September 15, 2023 Author Share Posted September 15, 2023 Updated predictions for USA, Russia, and Iran post-bracket draws 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 57 KG - Uguev over Higuchi Richards loses to Abakarov in the quarters, so is eliminated and DNQ. 61 KG - Magomedov over Arujau 65 KG - Amouzadkhali over Rivera (BOOM!) Lee loses to Oto for Bronze, then defeats whoever is sitting there from the other side of the bracket for 5th - qualifying the weight 70 KG - Retherford over Yazdani 74 KG - Dake over Sidakov 79 KG - Marsteller over Mykhailov 86 KG - Taylor over Yazdani 92 KG - Valencia over Aitmukhan 97 KG - Sadulaev over Matcharashvili Snyder wins Bronze and qualifies. 125 KG - Parris over Akgul 2 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 On 9/13/2023 at 9:28 PM, Spladle08 said: On 9/13/2023 at 9:26 PM, bnwtwg said: Might as well hold out and make a sig bet Lol Chamizo wins 74kg or i'll change my sig to ..... "nhs has the biggest juevs I have ever tasted..." 1 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Elite Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 Is this true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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