Bigbrog Posted July 21, 2023 Author Share Posted July 21, 2023 So many things to unpack...why does it have to be about who has money and who doesn't when it comes to a committing a crime?? Should we take into account how much money the victim makes then??? Second thought...no one has addressed the fact that victims are not taking into the consideration of this conversation/debate...why? Third thought is how does a self-prescribed layer on here only worry about what the aledged perpetrators rights are but gives no shitnits about the victim?? Money??? Who pays the bills? Hmmm?? Discuss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJT Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 10 minutes ago, Bigbrog said: So many things to unpack...why does it have to be about who has money and who doesn't when it comes to a committing a crime?? Should we take into account how much money the victim makes then??? Second thought...no one has addressed the fact that victims are not taking into the consideration of this conversation/debate...why? Third thought is how does a self-prescribed layer on here only worry about what the aledged perpetrators rights are but gives no shitnits about the victim?? Money??? Who pays the bills? Hmmm?? Discuss To be fair, the 8th amendment prohibits excessive bail… this is to protect citizens from the State… just like the 2nd amendment… neither should be abrogated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrestlingRasta Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 24 minutes ago, Bigbrog said: So many things to unpack...why does it have to be about who has money and who doesn't when it comes to a committing a crime?? Should we take into account how much money the victim makes then??? Second thought...no one has addressed the fact that victims are not taking into the consideration of this conversation/debate...why? Third thought is how does a self-prescribed layer on here only worry about what the aledged perpetrators rights are but gives no shitnits about the victim?? Money??? Who pays the bills? Hmmm?? Discuss I think a big part of the sentiment for the victims is that we’re still at the stage of the process where the accused has not been found guilty, therefore they are still by law innocent. Not saying it’s right, just that it’s a catch 22 in the law, for the sake of protecting the innocent. The theory of rather seeing 9 guilty men go free as opposed to one innocent man go to jail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le duke Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 So many things to unpack...why does it have to be about who has money and who doesn't when it comes to a committing a crime?? Should we take into account how much money the victim makes then??? Second thought...no one has addressed the fact that victims are not taking into the consideration of this conversation/debate...why? Third thought is how does a self-prescribed layer on here only worry about what the aledged perpetrators rights are but gives no shitnits about the victim?? Money??? Who pays the bills? Hmmm?? DiscussKey words: alleged perpetrators’ ***rights***. You know, as outlined in the Constitution. That one. Everyone has the same rights. Or should, at least. Unfortunately, our justice system does not work that way. I’m a rich person who is accused of committing a crime, I can easily post bail and bounce. If I’m a poor person who accuses of the same thing, I likely can’t post bail; I could be stuck in jail for months or years, not making money for my family, while I await my trial. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJT Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, WrestlingRasta said: I think a big part of the sentiment for the victims is that we’re still at the stage of the process where the accused has not been found guilty, therefore they are still by law innocent. Not saying it’s right, just that it’s a catch 22 in the law, for the sake of protecting the innocent. The theory of rather seeing 9 guilty men go free as opposed to one innocent man go to jail. What say you about the January 6 protesters who’ve been sitting in jail for two and a half years without bail? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offthemat Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 https://www.westernjournal.com/nyc-woman-brutally-murdered-career-criminal-free-bail-police/ https://www.foxnews.com/us/ny-mom-killed-front-children-hours-husband-freed-on-no-bail-alleged-facebook-video-beating https://www.insideedition.com/18392-family-of-woman-killed-by-husband-are-outraged-he-was-out-on-bail-he-did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plasmodium Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 5 minutes ago, DJT said: What say you about the January 6 protesters who’ve been sitting in jail for two and a half years without bail? No bail after conviction is fine with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scouts Honor Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 you didn't answer the question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plasmodium Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 6 minutes ago, Scouts Honor said: you didn't answer the question From a high level, I say they should get bail. On the practical side, they should be treated like everyone else. If people that smash into secure facilities and assault police officers typically get bail, they should get bail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 To quote Ernie McCarcken when he wins the million dollars, "All I know is I finally got enough money I can buy my way out of anything. I can do anything I want. And I can get myself a lawyer. And I'll walk. Finally, Big Ern is above the law." 1 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJT Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 8 minutes ago, Plasmodium said: From a high level, I say they should get bail. On the practical side, they should be treated like everyone else. If people that smash into secure facilities and assault police officers typically get bail, they should get bail. Many were arrested and charged before much of any evidence gathering took place. They were then held without bail while the prosecution made their case, more often than not, downgrading the charges (i.e. the government overcharged without evidence to justify holding without bail). Hell, some of them have taken a plea deal, served out their sentence, then the prosecutor sent new evidence to their attorney, which should’ve been part of discovery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plasmodium Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 8 minutes ago, DJT said: Many were arrested and charged before much of any evidence gathering took place. They were then held without bail while the prosecution made their case, more often than not, downgrading the charges (i.e. the government overcharged without evidence to justify holding without bail). Hell, some of them have taken a plea deal, served out their sentence, then the prosecutor sent new evidence to their attorney, which should’ve been part of discovery. There are a thousand individual cases to discuss. Doubt they are treated any worse than the average bear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJT Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 14 minutes ago, Plasmodium said: There are a thousand individual cases to discuss. Doubt they are treated any worse than the average bear. We will treat the bears that we feed Congress to like kings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Husker_Du Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 no-cash bail is stupid. but even more insane is that they simply don't prosecute anymore. everyday there's a new story about a violent crime committed by a person that has double digit offenses. 1 TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrestlingRasta Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 9 hours ago, DJT said: What say you about the January 6 protesters who’ve been sitting in jail for two and a half years without bail? My general opinion on release before trial is that it should be based on factors of the crime accused, the strength of the evidence used to charge, and the judges judgement on how strongly they believe the accused would show up for trial, with money not really a factor. Honestly when it gets right down to it I don’t know how much the money is a factor in whether or not someone shows up. That said, I believe, generally speaking, that a violent storming of the Capitol in an effort to overturn, or at the least obstruct, our election is justifiable to hold without bail. Now, I said generally speaking because each individual case is it’s own individual case. No possible way me or anyone else on here could give an informed opinion on each individual case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scouts Honor Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 9 hours ago, Plasmodium said: From a high level, I say they should get bail. On the practical side, they should be treated like everyone else. If people that smash into secure facilities and assault police officers typically get bail, they should get bail. well, kamala harris' group paid the bail for 2020 rioters... and no one was ever charged or arrested(as far as i can tell ) for the continued assault on fed buildings in portland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plasmodium Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 23 minutes ago, Scouts Honor said: well, kamala harris' group paid the bail for 2020 rioters... and no one was ever charged or arrested(as far as i can tell ) for the continued assault on fed buildings in portland DC is a different jurisdiction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrestlingRasta Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 25 minutes ago, Scouts Honor said: well, kamala harris' group paid the bail for 2020 rioters... and no one was ever charged or arrested(as far as i can tell ) for the continued assault on fed buildings in portland It took five second to find the people were being arrested and charged within two days of the event. Four people charged in Portland after demonstrators vandalized federal ICE building, Democratic Party state headquarters | CNN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plasmodium Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 Just now, WrestlingRasta said: It took five second to find the people were being arrested and charged within two days of the event. Four people charged in Portland after demonstrators vandalized federal ICE building, Democratic Party state headquarters | CNN Interesting. More political prisoners? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scouts Honor Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 49 minutes ago, Plasmodium said: DC is a different jurisdiction. um, none of that is in dc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scouts Honor Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 48 minutes ago, WrestlingRasta said: It took five second to find the people were being arrested and charged within two days of the event. Four people charged in Portland after demonstrators vandalized federal ICE building, Democratic Party state headquarters | CNN 4 people? there was an army did they address bail? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrestlingRasta Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 5 minutes ago, Scouts Honor said: 4 people? there was an army did they address bail? Well, as noted, the article was a full two days after the event. I'm sure more has developed since then. If you would like to follow up to learn more........look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scouts Honor Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 2 days? it's like a year. the building was under assault for a year i guess. https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/07/21/portland-riots-read-out-july-21 this is from 2020, your article is from 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scouts Honor Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 in my post.. 7 were arrested after 50 days of attacks... 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJT Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 51 minutes ago, Plasmodium said: DC is a different jurisdiction. The Federal buildings fall under the FBI’s purview, but they certainly didn’t utilize their vast resources (as they did for J6) to bring the perpetrators to justice. Four arrests out of 150+ at the ICE building vs. using credit card receipts, RFI scanners, facial recognition software, cellular geofencing, reassigning agents from investigating child trafficking, etc. to arrest over 1,000 for January 6. ….Not to mention, every “protester” at the George Floyd riots should’ve been arrested for attempted murder, since they were breaking social distancing guidelines at the height of the most lethal pandemic in the history of the world. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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