No talk of Earth's recent broken Heat Wave?

[GreatWhiteNorth]

5 hours ago, Scouts Honor said:

so why aren't you critically thinking... instead of just believing like you said.

'i will side with the scientists who say...'

check out some new guys maybe.

Yep - sounds about right coming from you...

"Don't believe those old scientists with lengthy papers, check out the new ones on Twitter with zingers."

I gave you too much credit in earlier posts.

 

[DJT]

5 hours ago, BerniePragle said:

I took two courses from maybe America's most well known Scientist. 

Color me envious…

[DJT]

7 hours ago, BerniePragle said:

I'm sure our leading climate Scientists are writing, testing, improving or using FEA/FD/FV programs and studying the many things affecting our weather and climate, instead of playing on Twitter or TikTok with you and the Kardashian clan.  Oh, and one "climate scientist", I guess.

Lest we forget, if climate scientists came out and said they’ve concluded humans can do little or nothing to change the direction the climate is going, they’d be out of their jobs (along with the hundreds of millions in grants). Obviously, we need to be better stewards of our planet, but the alarmist approach isn’t the right way to affect change. 
 

The push for “green” energy and “net-zero” is illogical and lacks efficacy. There are much pragmatic ways to spend that money. In the end, it doesn’t matter what we do in the US, when China is permitting 100 coal power plants/year, which will be online for decades to come. 

Again, I highly recommended giving the podcast I posted earlier a listen.

[Scouts Honor]

“Sometimes it seems as if there are more solutions than problems. On closer scrutiny, it turns out that many of today’s problems are a result of yesterday’s solutions. Thomas Sowell

[Scouts Honor]

the thing i notice is that, no one arguing with me has done much but insult me and others

i at least post a few things to make you think.

you just dismiss them out of hand... b/c what we are doing is working so well right?

maybe, just maybe, there is another possibility other than lock step indoctrination? 

[Scouts Honor]

9 hours ago, GreatWhiteNorth said:

Yep - sounds about right coming from you...

"Don't believe those old scientists with lengthy papers, check out the new ones on Twitter with zingers."

I gave you too much credit in earlier posts.

 

you know there was a time   

accepted science was the flat earth...

but yes, i realize that leftists claim to love everyone, but they really just want to hear from old white men

see i can play that game of insults too

[Offthemat]

5 minutes ago, Scouts Honor said:

“Sometimes it seems as if there are more solutions than problems. On closer scrutiny, it turns out that many of today’s problems are a result of yesterday’s solutions. Thomas Sowell

There’s a wise guy.  Bernie’s not listening to members of the scientific community as much as he is the intelligence community.

[Scouts Honor]

“Some things are believed because they are demonstrably true. But many other things are believed simply because they have been asserted repeatedly—and repetition has been accepted as a substitute for evidence.” Thomas Sowell

[Scouts Honor]

1. 17 minutes ago, Scouts Honor said:

   the thing i notice is that, no one arguing with me has done much but insult me and others

   i at least post a few things to make you think.

   you just dismiss them out of hand... b/c what we are doing is working so well right?

   maybe, just maybe, there is another possibility other than lock step indoctrination? 

   “Mistakes can be corrected by those who pay attention to facts but dogmatism will not be corrected by those who are wedded to a vision.” Thomas Sowell

[BerniePragle]

9 hours ago, DJT said:

Lest we forget, if climate scientists came out and said they’ve concluded humans can do little or nothing to change the direction the climate is going, they’d be out of their jobs (along with the hundreds of millions in grants). Obviously, we need to be better stewards of our planet, but the alarmist approach isn’t the right way to affect change. 
 

The push for “green” energy and “net-zero” is illogical and lacks efficacy. There are much pragmatic ways to spend that money. In the end, it doesn’t matter what we do in the US, when China is permitting 100 coal power plants/year, which will be online for decades to come. 

Again, I highly recommended giving the podcast I posted earlier a listen.

I agree with the majority of what you said.
There are various factions with a horse in the race.  "hundereds of millions in grants"?  I don't know about that. Thats a lot of clams to dig up.  I do know that Americans used about 134 billion gallons of gasoline last year.  At $3 per gallon, that works out to about $400 billion per year, a thousand times what you say in grants.  Now that IS a lot of clams to want to protect, however necessary, from someone else digging up.  Remember, it wasn't that long ago that way too many people thought mandatory (?) LED lights in our homes and businesses would lead to the downfall of mankind.  Progressives are generally your friend.  You know, Progress.  Of course, for every Pete Seeger, there's a Wavy Gravy.  (You may have to Google them.)

It's simply mind-boggling to see someone that thinks this person posting on Twitter is a scientist:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/bernadette-spofforth-7298095?originalSubdomain=uk
Or maybe the nameless feller with the English accent whose video clip she posted is the scientist??  Damifino.  Maybe our resident Boy Scout knows.

I've never listened to a podcast in my life.  I'm still working on acquiring a tiny slice of the wealth of human knowledge gained pre-podcast.  I'll tell you what though... If I don't have to download an app (another f%$#ing username and password), give out my email address, and I can get it to work, I will listen to it.  I have always had zero patience with computers, etc if they're not making me money by doing what they were originally intended to do... compute.  So don't hold your breath...  
 

[BerniePragle]

10 hours ago, DJT said:

Color me envious…

Swing and a miss, but you knew that.  This guy was waaaaay smarter and I suspect you know that too.

[DJT]

2 hours ago, BerniePragle said:

Swing and a miss, but you knew that.  This guy was waaaaay smarter and I suspect you know that too.

[BerniePragle]

19 minutes ago, DJT said:

OK, I'll help you out.  Come to think of it maybe it wasn't so long ago.  Maybe it wasn't even in the past.

 

[GreatWhiteNorth]

14 hours ago, Scouts Honor said:

you know there was a time   

accepted science was the flat earth...

but yes, i realize that leftists claim to love everyone, but they really just want to hear from old white men

see i can play that game of insults too

Except that... Flat-earthers still exist and they aren't leftists. And flat earth is still DAF.

Old white men? Hmmm... like Trump? He's old as hell and white underneath the orange facade. So, think about it, republicans seem to really just want to hear from a lying old white turd with orange paint on his face.

"game of insults"? I'd always prefer a respectful meaningful conversation over garbage posts.

I'm game. But you'd have to be capable of it. 

[BerniePragle]

6 hours ago, GreatWhiteNorth said:

Except that... Flat-earthers still exist and they aren't leftists. And flat earth is still DAF.

Old white men? Hmmm... like Trump? He's old as hell and white underneath the orange facade. So, think about it, republicans seem to really just want to hear from a lying old white turd with orange paint on his face.

"game of insults"? I'd always prefer a respectful meaningful conversation over garbage posts.

I'm game. But you'd have to be capable of it. 

Ouch. 

(But accurate.)

[Scouts Honor]

11 hours ago, GreatWhiteNorth said:

Except that... Flat-earthers still exist and they aren't leftists. And flat earth is still DAF.

Old white men? Hmmm... like Trump? He's old as hell and white underneath the orange facade. So, think about it, republicans seem to really just want to hear from a lying old white turd with orange paint on his face.

"game of insults"? I'd always prefer a respectful meaningful conversation over garbage posts.

I'm game. But you'd have to be capable of it. 

now do biden.

except you never seem to have a respectful meaningful conversation... you always condescend 

and there it is again... condescending.

[BerniePragle]

On 7/16/2023 at 12:27 AM, DJT said:

Lest we forget, if climate scientists came out and said they’ve concluded humans can do little or nothing to change the direction the climate is going, they’d be out of their jobs (along with the hundreds of millions in grants). Obviously, we need to be better stewards of our planet, but the alarmist approach isn’t the right way to affect change. 
 

The push for “green” energy and “net-zero” is illogical and lacks efficacy. There are much pragmatic ways to spend that money. In the end, it doesn’t matter what we do in the US, when China is permitting 100 coal power plants/year, which will be online for decades to come. 

Again, I highly recommended giving the podcast I posted earlier a listen.

Sorry.  I tried to listen to Mr Podcaster.  I only got just past one minute when he used the "A" word (Agenda) in reference to Biden, I think.  Not sure, he was using a broad brush.  That word sure does get the dogs drooling though.
My logic system pretty much always has difficulty understanding that oft used word by Conservatives, in reference to pretty much everybody except the corporations/individuals making money in whatever situation.  In this case according to Mr Podcaster, the ones who, I guess, wouldn't have an agenda would be Big Oil and Big Coal??  The ones with an agenda would be Biden and ??   Non comprende, Amigo.
I, of course, realize it's not that simple.  I realize the Earth has gone through many heating/cooling cycles much worse than what we have so far in the Industrial Age.  If I didn't know that, I'd probably also believe the Earth is only 6000 years old, lol.
I guess I'll just stick to reading "Jabberwocky".  Now the guy that wrote that was a high-order logician.

[Plasmodium]

On 7/16/2023 at 8:05 AM, Scouts Honor said:

“Some things are believed because they are demonstrably true. But many other things are believed simply because they have been asserted repeatedly—and repetition has been accepted as a substitute for evidence.” Thomas Sowell

So many things fit in this demonstrably true category. The most fundamental forces of our multiverse - gravity, electrical charge and magnetism.  We used to have a sweet & reliable mathematical model for the sun orbiting the earth and Newtonian mechanics used to work.

[DJT]

1 hour ago, BerniePragle said:

Sorry.  I tried to listen to Mr Podcaster.  I only got just past one minute when he used the "A" word (Agenda) in reference to Biden, I think.  Not sure, he was using a broad brush.  That word sure does get the dogs drooling though.
My logic system pretty much always has difficulty understanding that oft used word by Conservatives, in reference to pretty much everybody except the corporations/individuals making money in whatever situation.  In this case according to Mr Podcaster, the ones who, I guess, wouldn't have an agenda would be Big Oil and Big Coal??  The ones with an agenda would be Biden and ??   Non comprende, Amigo.
I, of course, realize it's not that simple.  I realize the Earth has gone through many heating/cooling cycles much worse than what we have so far in the Industrial Age.  If I didn't know that, I'd probably also believe the Earth is only 6000 years old, lol.
I guess I'll just stick to reading "Jabberwocky".  Now the guy that wrote that was a high-order logician.

Well, at least you pretended to try, but if you think they were going to defend coal and oil, you’re mistaken… but you’d, in the vein of Bob Dole’s thought process, not have to be afraid of scary words like conservatives apparently are. 
 

The guest on the podcast is big on natural gas to nuclear transition. Trying to get third world to jump to renewables only results in backsliding to much dirtier sources of fuel (ie coal… look at China… even Germany after shutting down their nuclear plants). At the end of the day, dependable energy is what brings up the impoverished, and bringing people out of poverty does far more for the environment than anything. Africa and India are rapidly urbanizing, so thinking solar and wind will keep up with their energy demands is a pipe dream and will lead to the proliferation of cheap and quickly built coal plants. Another concern brought up is with the West staking its energy future on China’s monopoly on the rare earth elements necessary for many “green” initiatives. 

[Plasmodium]

6 minutes ago, DJT said:

Well, at least you pretended to try, but if you think they were going to defend coal and oil, you’re mistaken… but you’d, in the vein of Bob Dole’s thought process, not have to be afraid of scary words like conservatives apparently are. 
 

The guest on the podcast is big on natural gas to nuclear transition. Trying to get third world to jump to renewables only results in backsliding to much dirtier sources of fuel (ie coal… look at China… even Germany after shutting down their nuclear plants). At the end of the day, dependable energy is what brings up the impoverished, and bringing people out of poverty does far more for the environment than anything. Africa and India are rapidly urbanizing, so thinking solar and wind will keep up with their energy demands is a pipe dream and will lead to the proliferation of cheap and quickly built coal plants. Another concern brought up is with the West staking its energy future on China’s monopoly on the rare earth elements necessary for many “green” initiatives. 

Do you mean to say bringing people out of poverty does far more to the environment or for the environment?  Seems like you are saying both.

[DJT]

9 minutes ago, Plasmodium said:

Do you mean to say bringing people out of poverty does far more to the environment or for the environment?  Seems like you are saying both.

The green push, generally speaking, says the “rich” need to have less (unless you’re a Bolshevik, like John Kerry), when, in actuality, the “poor” need to have more, in terms of what is most beneficial for the environment. People who are worried about where their next meal is going to come from really don’t give two shits how much their 2-stroke moped pollutes or if it is “bad” to dump their laundry water into the river.

The $2 billion we just borrowed to give to Angola to build a solar farm could’ve been spent in a hundred different ways that’d be better and have a greater “green” impact. Angola is one of the “richest” African countries in oil, diamonds and agriculture land (soon to be covered by solar panels), yet their people are dirt poor… if you wonder why, their government is a Unitary Marxist-Leninist one-party socialist republic, which sounds made up (it isn’t) or the leftists’ wet dream.

[GreatWhiteNorth]

3 hours ago, DJT said:

Angola is one of the “richest” African countries in oil, diamonds and agriculture land (soon to be covered by solar panels), yet their people are dirt poor… if you wonder why, their government is a Unitary Marxist-Leninist one-party socialist republic, which sounds made up (it isn’t) or the leftists’ wet dream.

C'mon... really? You're claiming the leftists' desire is to make their citizens dirt poor?

Not the dumbest thing I've seen posted here, but it is on the list.

[DJT]

6 minutes ago, GreatWhiteNorth said:

C'mon... really? You're claiming the leftists' desire is to make their citizens dirt poor?

Not the dumbest thing I've seen posted here, but it is on the list.

No, I meant their form of government is the leftists’ wet dream: Unitary Marxist-Leninist one-party socialist republic… citizens being dirt poor is just the inevitable product of such forms of government.

… certainly isn’t something the right is clamoring for.

Edited July 19, 2023 by DJT

[GreatWhiteNorth]

4 minutes ago, DJT said:

No, I meant their form of government: Unitary Marxist-Leninist one-party socialist republic… citizens being dirt poor is just the inevitable product of such forms of government.

… certainly isn’t something the right is clamoring for.

Of course not, in the US neither the right nor the left wants citizens to be dirt poor. After all is said and done, we're mostly good people and have respect for one another (at least those that don't get too deep into the fiction of a R vs D war.)

What's your point?

[Scouts Honor]

12 hours ago, GreatWhiteNorth said:

C'mon... really? You're claiming the leftists' desire is to make their citizens dirt poor?

Not the dumbest thing I've seen posted here, but it is on the list.

equity and equality will not be achieved by lifting of boats... but by sinking many