LJB Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 1 minute ago, pokemonster said: Are they legal retaliatory tactics, i.e. defamation / libel lawsuit? athletes not being allowed to practice at RTCs for speaking up... bullying types of behaviors... stuff like that... i am sure there is more stuff i am not aware of... this is the way it goes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJB Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 1 minute ago, wrestle87 said: Man, this is depressing. What does it take for integrity and caring for others to win out over such astonishing levels of self interest. I thought that, of all sports, ours would be able to make that happen… we all should be ashamed... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJB Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 i would just ask that everyone that was around for the original thread give the instigator a little bit of a break for how it all played out... i personally would not have went about it in quite the same manner, but, when you are pushed to the edge these things happen... add in his offspring being involved... add in how long he has been involved in this sport and at what levels he has been involved... let all just have a bit of compassion and empathy... 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJB Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 he has been dealing with this for 8 months... and how the entire event played out results wise... i spoke with him personally during the initial bomb that being dropped... he was definitely feeling it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mspart Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 As well he should. That should not happen and should be clearly dealt with out in the open. Interesting how we came around again to all this. mspart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJB Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 it needs to be known... this type of behavior needs to stop... USAW needs to hold itself accountable and all of its members... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJB Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 the levels of pettiness that goes on is absolutely ridiculous... i keep being told it is not malevolent and is instead pure incompetence... it just seems hard to believe at this point... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formally140 Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 6 minutes ago, 1032004 said: I actually think a manager/subordinate is a fair comparison. And the manager should absolutely be fired in those cases too... That’s what I meant in first point, I missed a comma. I was saying that even the cases where it does “work out” doesn’t excuse it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interviewed_at_Weehawken Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 Just now, forkemaz said: This coach was also involved in the whole daton fix suspension situation. Dudes a big problem. Wasn't he like three states away? Is it possible there is some confusion here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formally140 Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 The one thing triggering me in all of this isn’t the normal things people say when this stuff happens. The “well they should’ve gone to police, or something would’ve been done blah blah” Its the fact people “seem” way more worried about what happened or might have happened at Iowa and maybe Daton Fix than what’s actually going on 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkemaz Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 7 minutes ago, Formally140 said: I think you have your Perry’s mixed up That would make a lot of sense as when I heard the daton stuff I did not even understand the connection. As for the correct guy I wonder if this will effect not just his club job but his college job. The college he is at has a girls team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formally140 Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 1 minute ago, forkemaz said: That would make a lot of sense as when I heard the daton stuff I did not even understand the connection. As for the correct guy I wonder if this will effect not just his club job but his college job. The college he is at has a girls team. We’ll see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkemaz Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 Just now, Formally140 said: We’ll see I'd prefer they get rid of him. Do you think they should? If it's about protecting the girls in wrestling then it seems pretty straight forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formally140 Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 3 minutes ago, forkemaz said: I'd prefer they get rid of him. Do you think they should? If it's about protecting the girls in wrestling then it seems pretty straight forward. I know what they “should” do. That’s not what I’m waiting to see about. I’m waiting on what “will” happen 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJB Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 2 minutes ago, Formally140 said: I know what they “should” do. That’s not what I’m waiting to see about. I’m waiting on what “will” happen absolutely nothing has happened so far... which is the main issue... some of the people who have filed the safe sport have not even been contacted... it really is a gross dereliction of duty... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 22 minutes ago, forkemaz said: That would make a lot of sense as when I heard the daton stuff I did not even understand the connection. As for the correct guy I wonder if this will effect not just his club job but his college job. The college he is at has a girls team. They do? Also he has not been listed as a coach there the last 2 seasons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkemaz Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, 1032004 said: They do? Also he has not been listed as a coach there the last 2 seasons They do and he was mat side every duel this past season. Not necessarily in the corner but he's heavily involved how can you not be if you're attached to the club. Edited June 13, 2023 by forkemaz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creek chub Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 Since Suriano and Camacho both forfeited for true 3rd, does this mean VT’s Flynn gets the nod as the U23 rep? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interviewed_at_Weehawken Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 1 hour ago, creek chub said: Since Suriano and Camacho both forfeited for true 3rd, does this mean VT’s Flynn gets the nod as the U23 rep? That is my understanding 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishbane Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 4 hours ago, 1032004 said: I actually think a manager/subordinate is a fair comparison. And the manager should absolutely be fired in those cases too... Certainly a supervisor/subordinate in a relationship is untenable and ripe for conflicts. In some situations one individual could be transferred to report to someone else or the supervisor could be reassigned/demoted to resolve the issue without termination. Mayhaps he felt that this could be managed in a similar way? This individual could be reassigned to coach the men (presumable this individual does not have a sexual relationship with any of them), someone else assigned to coach the women, and that could resolve the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortaJohn Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 Same old MSU hijacking an entire thread over there on HR. Only thing missing is TBar 1 1 I Don't Agree With What I Posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interviewed_at_Weehawken Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 36 minutes ago, PortaJohn said: Same old MSU hijacking an entire thread over there on HR. Only thing missing is TBar While reading it, I imagined the return of TBar and the two battling it out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingcement Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 MSU really showed his ass on that thread - Jesus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 3 hours ago, fishbane said: Certainly a supervisor/subordinate in a relationship is untenable and ripe for conflicts. In some situations one individual could be transferred to report to someone else or the supervisor could be reassigned/demoted to resolve the issue without termination. Mayhaps he felt that this could be managed in a similar way? This individual could be reassigned to coach the men (presumable this individual does not have a sexual relationship with any of them), someone else assigned to coach the women, and that could resolve the issue. Meh, I think it shows incredibly bad judgement, especially on the part of the boss. Only way I could excuse it would be if they obtained permission from their own supervisor or higher-ups prior to starting or possibly immediately after starting the relationship (which of course would not be an option with he who shall not be named if Safesport has clear rules against it). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJT Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 16 minutes ago, 1032004 said: (which of course would not be an option with he who shall not be named if Safesport has clear rules against it). There is no if. No if’s, no gray area, no mitigating circumstances. It is a clear, hard and fast rule. The punishment, however, is less clear-cut. It could be anything from temporary restrictions [Travel / Lodging Restriction(s), Coaching / Training Restriction(s), No Contact Directive(s), No Unsupervised Coaching / Training] to a suspension to permanent ineligibility. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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