Ragu Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 With a handful of upsets we lose a bunch of experience and world placements. This looks like a winning team and I think we get medals in a majority of weights. Is Russia competing this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnwtwg Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 Retherford, Snyder, and Taylor are the only vets. I have a bad feeling it may be a down year even without Russia. 4 medals, 2 golds. i am an idiot on the internet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPhillips Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 3 minutes ago, bnwtwg said: Retherford, Snyder, and Taylor are the only vets. I have a bad feeling it may be a down year even without Russia. 4 medals, 2 golds. Is Dake out? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnwtwg Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 3 minutes ago, MPhillips said: Is Dake out? Ah, omission by ignorance. i am an idiot on the internet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPhillips Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 Just now, bnwtwg said: Ah, omission by ignorance. No worries. Thought I missed something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPhillips Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 First Senior World Championship for half of our men's team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragu Posted June 11, 2023 Author Share Posted June 11, 2023 Everyone’s ceiling Zane’s is likely bronze Vito’s is gold eff it Nick Lee I’ll say silver since he beat returning silver Zain silver Dake is gold ofc Chance no medal??? DT gold Zahid won’t medal Snyder is gold Gable is gold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 Why won’t Chance or Zahid medal? Didn’t Chance beat someone from Iran or something? And don’t a lot of the international guys have similar gas tank issues as Zahid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragu Posted June 11, 2023 Author Share Posted June 11, 2023 1 hour ago, 1032004 said: Why won’t Chance or Zahid medal? Didn’t Chance beat someone from Iran or something? And don’t a lot of the international guys have similar gas tank issues as Zahid? I hope I’m wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJB Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 1 hour ago, 1032004 said: Why won’t Chance or Zahid medal? Didn’t Chance beat someone from Iran or something? And don’t a lot of the international guys have similar gas tank issues as Zahid? everyone one here would have picked JB for gold... chance just beat him and the official 3 matches straight... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragu Posted June 11, 2023 Author Share Posted June 11, 2023 7 minutes ago, LJB said: everyone one here would have picked JB for gold... chance just beat him and the official 3 matches straight... His first year on the team idk if he gets it done. Would love to be wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJB Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 10 minutes ago, Ragu said: His first year on the team idk if he gets it done. Would love to be wrong i get the concern... but... he is not unseasoned in international competition and the mental hump of getting over JB/officials/crowd/fans is huge... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 4 hours ago, LJB said: i get the concern... but... he is not unseasoned in international competition and the mental hump of getting over JB/officials/crowd/fans is huge... I wouldn't say he had to overcome the fans in the arena. They were definitely behind him. Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 4 hours ago, Ragu said: His first year on the team idk if he gets it done. Would love to be wrong "idk" seems different than "his ceiling is no medal" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJB Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 14 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said: I wouldn't say he had to overcome the fans in the arena. They were definitely behind him. I was more referring to the overall national fan base… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lu1979 Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 7 hours ago, bnwtwg said: Retherford, Snyder, and Taylor are the only vets. I have a bad feeling it may be a down year even without Russia. 4 medals, 2 golds. Dake is obviously a "Vet" (already corrected above) and I would think having an Olympic Gold under your belt where you beat 2 multi time world/olympic Champs would qualify you as a "vet". So We have Zain, Dake, Taylor, Snyder and Gable who all have had significant success on the World/Olympic level. Add to that Richards, Lee & Chance all took out people with World medals and Vito beat the guy who took out silver medalist Fix and I would say the team is looking good. Zahid also looked really good against some pretty tough 92kg guys. I think this team will do really well in Belgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPhillips Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 Some had years to figure out how to be competitive and beat the number one guy. That was their goal. You don't have years to figure out the field at The World Tourney. The guys that won deserve their chance, but I believe some lack of experience may thwart them along the way. I don't think Zane, Lee, Valencia/Macc or Marstellar are the answer but they did their job and I'll be happy to be proven wrong. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 38 minutes ago, MPhillips said: Some had years to figure out how to be competitive and beat the number one guy. That was their goal. You don't have years to figure out the field at The World Tourney. The guys that won deserve their chance, but I believe some lack of experience may thwart them along the way. I don't think Zane, Lee, Valencia/Macc or Marstellar are the answer but they did their job and I'll be happy to be proven wrong. this ^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyhoyle Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 5 hours ago, LJB said: i get the concern... but... he is not unseasoned in international competition and the mental hump of getting over JB/officials/crowd/fans is huge... JB gets a similar level of respect from international refs and fans, which helps him there too. I also think his style is very well suited for international competition. Marsteller could get it done, or he could just matchup favorably against JB. We’ll find out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 51 minutes ago, MPhillips said: Some had years to figure out how to be competitive and beat the number one guy. That was their goal. You don't have years to figure out the field at The World Tourney. The guys that won deserve their chance, but I believe some lack of experience may thwart them along the way. I don't think Zane, Lee, Valencia/Macc or Marstellar are the answer but they did their job and I'll be happy to be proven wrong. I think Lee could have success with his pace, Valencia not having to deal with many guys who have a pace like Taylor/Brooks, Marsteller's unique body style. Not sure about Richards, he may have just had a great gameplan for Gilman, but happy he's getting a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le duke Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 I think Lee could have success with his pace, Valencia not having to deal with many guys who have a pace like Taylor/Brooks, Marsteller's unique body style. Not sure about Richards, he may have just had a great gameplan for Gilman, but happy he's getting a chance.Lee displayed a real lack of preparedness against Musukaev a couple months back. It really looked like he had no clue who he was wrestling, and Musukaev’s strengths (first two minutes) and weaknesses (matches longer than three minutes).He showed the ability to go with a world medalist; does he have the ability to execute a game plan against top Euro competition and use his motor to his advantage? We’ll see.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnwtwg Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 1 hour ago, 1032004 said: I think Lee could have success with his pace, Valencia not having to deal with many guys who have a pace like Taylor/Brooks, Marsteller's unique body style. Not sure about Richards, he may have just had a great gameplan for Gilman, but happy he's getting a chance. Lee got worked by Musukaev. If he can’t gas him then, well… i am an idiot on the internet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le duke Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 Lee got worked by Musukaev. If he can’t gas him then, well…I would hope he’d learn from his mistake last time. He walked right into Musukaev’s best stuff and didn’t make it to the second period. The best thing to do with Musukaev is handfight super hard and a protracted scramble if it goes to the mat. Evan Henderson has beaten him doing exactly that.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPhillips Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 12 minutes ago, Le duke said: I would hope he’d learn from his mistake last time. He walked right into Musukaev’s best stuff and didn’t make it to the second period. The best thing to do with Musukaev is handfight super hard and a protracted scramble if it goes to the mat. Evan Henderson has beaten him doing exactly that. And we all know this. And have for years. How Lee did not know is worrisome. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnwtwg Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 Musukaev is a bronze match gatekeeper. Getting teched by him, with years of scouting, is very discouraging. I hope for better results and if they hit it is the first match off the scales. A better view is: hey! We broke the medal drought last year! And 65 is still a shallow clusterf*ck domestically i am an idiot on the internet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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