nhs67 Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 (edited) Flo's got it 17-15 for Cornell (credit to @Jon_Kozak ) https://www.flowrestling.org/articles/8241087-5-cornell-vs-10-wisconsin-preview-predictions Wrestlestat has 24-9 for Cornell: https://www.wrestlestat.com/compare/dual/20/cornell/77/wisconsin I think 125, 157, 197, and 285 are tossups. I have 133, 141, 149, 174, and 184 with Cornell as the favorite and 165 as the only match where Wiscy is favored. 125 - Wiscy Dec 133 - Cornell Tech 141 - Cornell Major 149 - Cornell Major 157 - Cornell Dec 165 - Wiscy Major 174 - Cornell Dec 184 - Cornell Major 197 - Wiscy Dec 285 - Wiscy Dec Cornell 23 - Wiscy 13 I would be more surprised to see Wiscy win six than I would to see Cornell win nine. * Disclaimer - Quick breakdown and I am not a pro, let alone a pro at either of these teams. Edited November 14, 2022 by nhs67 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le duke Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 I’d say 285 leans towards Cornell. Kind of crazy that a few years ago Hilger was thought of as a solid AA and now he’s an also-ran. Depending on how brackets shake out at B1Gs, he could get knocked off in a quarterfinal. He’s 6th at best now. Kerk, Parris, Cass, Davison and Orndorff are all better than him (yes, I know Orndorff is oh-fer against him). I’d put Fernandes at that Orndorff level.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted November 14, 2022 Author Share Posted November 14, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Le duke said: I’d say 285 leans towards Cornell. Kind of crazy that a few years ago Hilger was thought of as a solid AA and now he’s an also-ran. Depending on how brackets shake out at B1Gs, he could get knocked off in a quarterfinal. He’s 6th at best now. Kerk, Parris, Cass, Davison and Orndorff are all better than him (yes, I know Orndorff is oh-fer against him). I’d put Fernandes at that Orndorff level. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk They went 1-1 against each other last year. Hillger won 6-2 in the dual on February 20th. Fernandez won 2-1 at NCAAs. Edit: In what universe is Ormdorff a step ahead of either of these gents? Same tier. Edited November 14, 2022 by nhs67 1 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRedFan Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 51 minutes ago, Le duke said: I’d say 285 leans towards Cornell. Kind of crazy that a few years ago Hilger was thought of as a solid AA and now he’s an also-ran. Depending on how brackets shake out at B1Gs, he could get knocked off in a quarterfinal. He’s 6th at best now. Kerk, Parris, Cass, Davison and Orndorff are all better than him (yes, I know Orndorff is oh-fer against him). I’d put Fernandes at that Orndorff level. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Two things about Flo's review: From this weekend, it appears that Brett Ungar will be at 125 going forward: he majored LaJoie and nearly took out Jax Forrest; and Fernandes was limping a bit after his only match on Sunday, and didn't once throw boots in as is his modus operandi. They MFFed him (probably out of caution with his history of a bad knee) Ungar is an upgrade, and if Fernandes can't go, I don't know if they have another heavyweight (Furman is not enrolled this semester). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le duke Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 They went 1-1 against each other last year. Hillger won 6-2 in the dual on February 20th. Fernandez won 2-1 at NCAAs. Edit: In what universe is Ormdorff a step ahead of either of these gents? Same tier.I was saying I’d take Orndorff to out place Hillger. I think Fernandes had/has more room for improvement from last year.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLT Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 39 minutes ago, BigRedFan said: Two things about Flo's review: From this weekend, it appears that Brett Ungar will be at 125 going forward: he majored LaJoie and nearly took out Jax Forrest; and Fernandes was limping a bit after his only match on Sunday, and didn't once throw boots in as is his modus operandi. They MFFed him (probably out of caution with his history of a bad knee) Ungar is an upgrade, and if Fernandes can't go, I don't know if they have another heavyweight (Furman is not enrolled this semester). Boasting about nearly taking out a kid who hasn't even started his freshman year of highschool wrestling seems off. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Energy Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 1 hour ago, BLT said: Boasting about nearly taking out a kid who hasn't even started his freshman year of highschool wrestling seems off. It isn’t a boast. He is making it clear that that he is an upgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRedFan Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 1 hour ago, BLT said: Boasting about nearly taking out a kid who hasn't even started his freshman year of highschool wrestling seems off. Forrest is a generational talent, despite his age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Energy Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 This will sound like I'm quibbling ... but generational talent? How many generational talents have been popping up the past 10 years? I'm guessing more than just Forrest. Spencer Lee? Gable Steveson? Yianni D? Kyle Snyder? I bet we can add more. Not sure the term 'generational talent' is right. Unless generations are all of 1 year long. But even so ... there are some other super high schoolers right now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted November 15, 2022 Author Share Posted November 15, 2022 I think dubbing a kid in high school who is still losing to high school kids a generational talent isn't accurate. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Energy Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 3 hours ago, nhs67 said: 125 - Wiscy Dec -- Agree 133 - Cornell Tech -- Cornell major. Not thinking Vito will go for the Tech. 141 - Cornell Major - I'm favoring Cornella but this will be a tough match vs Zargo . I hope you are right, but I predict a decision for Cornella. 149 - Cornell Major - Would love to see this. Hoping Yianni goes. And he has a fire lit. 157 - Cornell Dec - Thinking Wisconsin will win this. If saw Yapoujian this weekend might feel better. But didn't. 165 - Wiscy Major - Wiscy but by decision. Ramirez needs to wrestle smarter. Hamiti very good. 174 - Cornell Dec - Foca gets the major or better. 184 - Cornell Major - Agree 197 - Wiscy Dec - If Cardenas, I pick Cardenas -- not sure if he will be in the lineup though. Otherwise, not sure who. 285 - Wiscy Dec - yup - not sure Fernandes will be representing. So worried here. Cornell 23 - Wiscy 13 -- I have it 15-19, Cornell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idaho Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 2 hours ago, BLT said: Boasting about nearly taking out a kid who hasn't even started his freshman year of highschool wrestling seems off. Sponsored by INTERMAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexRef Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 2 hours ago, Idaho said: Sweep the leg Johnny! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chestcrusher Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 18 hours ago, nhs67 said: Flo's got it 17-15 for Cornell (credit to @Jon_Kozak ) https://www.flowrestling.org/articles/8241087-5-cornell-vs-10-wisconsin-preview-predictions Wrestlestat has 24-9 for Cornell: https://www.wrestlestat.com/compare/dual/20/cornell/77/wisconsin I think 125, 157, 197, and 285 are tossups. I have 133, 141, 149, 174, and 184 with Cornell as the favorite and 165 as the only match where Wiscy is favored. 125 - Wiscy Dec 133 - Cornell Tech 141 - Cornell Major 149 - Cornell Major 157 - Cornell Dec 165 - Wiscy Major 174 - Cornell Dec 184 - Cornell Major 197 - Wiscy Dec 285 - Wiscy Dec Cornell 23 - Wiscy 13 I would be more surprised to see Wiscy win six than I would to see Cornell win nine. * Disclaimer - Quick breakdown and I am not a pro, let alone a pro at either of these teams. 16 hours ago, Le duke said: Don't see Lamont getting teched, Zargo and Model will not get majored either. In fact I will pick both Zargo and Model will win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted November 15, 2022 Author Share Posted November 15, 2022 3 minutes ago, Chestcrusher said: Don't see Lamont getting teched, Zargo and Model will not get majored either. In fact I will pick both Zargo and Model will win. Care to share a match by match prediction? I am curious as to your reasonings for your three picks as well. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chestcrusher Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 125- Barnett wins a close one 133- Arujau gets the major 14-5 141-Zargo had Cole Matthews on the ropes before getting choked out and Cornella lost to Carter Young who didn't even win at match at NCAAs. 149-Yianni wins, but could see this being a decision if Gomez wrestles it close. I anticipate Gomez wrestles aggressively which could turn the match into a major. 157-Model has been making big strides and think he outlasts his opponent in a close 1-2 point win. 165- Hamiti pinned Ramirez last year, but think Hamiti still wins comfortably. 174-Rowley is a big ? as a freshman, but think Foca gets bonus points. 184- Bonus for Cornell 197-Amos wins. He almost won last year dealing with all the issues he had going on in his life. 285-Hillger was hurt last season and has gained quite a bit of strength. I think he wins by 3-4. 18-16 Wisconsin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idaho Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 4 hours ago, nhs67 said: Care to share a match by match prediction? I am curious as to your reasonings for your three picks as well. It's already on Wrestlestat.... Sponsored by INTERMAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stealyphil223 Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 Cornella over Zargo for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Blades Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 This should be a good dual. I'm not sure Cornell has all of the lineup available, but I've got it at 5-5 split, Cornell with a couple of bonus points - 17-15 Big Red. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le duke Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 Cornella over Zargo for sure. Conrnella got taken to OT by PSU’s 133/141 backup. Give me Zargo.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRedFan Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 1 hour ago, Red Blades said: This should be a good dual. I'm not sure Cornell has all of the lineup available, but I've got it at 5-5 split, Cornell with a couple of bonus points - 17-15 Big Red. Coach Grey just indicated in email that Cardenas will be there, and his brief discussion of Fernandes didn't mention any injury. No mention of Vito/Yianni/Yapoujian. Gonna be a great dual. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Energy Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 Looks like this will be on ESPN+ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryConnickJr Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 9 hours ago, Chestcrusher said: 125- Barnett wins a close one 133- Arujau gets the major 14-5 141-Zargo had Cole Matthews on the ropes before getting choked out and Cornella lost to Carter Young who didn't even win at match at NCAAs. 149-Yianni wins, but could see this being a decision if Gomez wrestles it close. I anticipate Gomez wrestles aggressively which could turn the match into a major. 157-Model has been making big strides and think he outlasts his opponent in a close 1-2 point win. 165- Hamiti pinned Ramirez last year, but think Hamiti still wins comfortably. 174-Rowley is a big ? as a freshman, but think Foca gets bonus points. 184- Bonus for Cornell 197-Amos wins. He almost won last year dealing with all the issues he had going on in his life. 285-Hillger was hurt last season and has gained quite a bit of strength. I think he wins by 3-4. 18-16 Wisconsin Give me a break… I think Hillger wins but to say he has gained a lot of strength sounds ridiculous- he has been around forever and sorry but don’t see some major strength gain that hasn’t already been realized 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingcement Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 Before Hamiti ultimately won, Ramirez had him in all sorts of trouble at NCAA. Still expect Hamiti to win but could he an interesting match Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chestcrusher Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 9 hours ago, HarryConnickJr said: Give me a break… I think Hillger wins but to say he has gained a lot of strength sounds ridiculous- he has been around forever and sorry but don’t see some major strength gain that hasn’t already been realized Gaining strength from being healthy and being able to get good workouts in is ridiculous? LOL ok.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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