LJB Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 5 minutes ago, Eagle26 said: Yup same old stuff around here… just the other day there was a poster talking crap about Gilman… can you believe that?! Adorable… nothing negative was said about Gilman… the sad fact that the women’s style guys ignore par terre? absolutely… but again… Anonymous internet nobodies get so salty and look for perceived slights everywhere they can find them… it’s an interesting way to live their lives… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnwtwg Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 2 hours ago, LJB said: the sad fact that the women’s style guys ignore par terre? It’s not that par terre is ignored so much as it is not the primary instrument of scoring anymore. In freestyle if you’re being a bum they give the opponent a point because defending in par terre, globally, is easier (read: not easy, just easier) whereas in greco it is a destructive difference maker. Just a difference of styles and rule sets. eg greco Passivity? Good luck not getting teched. It’s going to hurt at best and you’re going for a ride at worst. FS lace techs happen, but they don’t start in PT as punishment anymore for a reason. Less time is spent in par terre in FS because it is only a fragment of each match typically. Also, freestyle requires more subtleties such as defending an entire body and “do I give up one or two or four?” Whereas high level greco is decided by multiples of ones and the occasional YouTube highlight which is much more rare than folks think. And yes, greco specialists have almost always had better gutwrenches. But they can’t defend a lace to save their life in the same vein. So tomato, tomahto, it’s a wash and best to appreciate each style. No matter what at least we can all agree that anything better than ball grabs and clinches, right? i am an idiot on the internet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJB Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 7 minutes ago, bnwtwg said: It’s not that par terre is ignored so much as it is not the primary instrument of scoring anymore. In freestyle if you’re being a bum they give the opponent a point because defending in par terre, globally, is easier (read: not easy, just easier) whereas in greco it is a destructive difference maker. Just a difference of styles and rule sets. eg greco Passivity? Good luck not getting teched. It’s going to hurt at best and you’re going for a ride at worst. FS lace techs happen, but they don’t start in PT as punishment anymore for a reason. Less time is spent in par terre in FS because it is only a fragment of each match typically. Also, freestyle requires more subtleties such as defending an entire body and “do I give up one or two or four?” Whereas high level greco is decided by multiples of ones and the occasional YouTube highlight which is much more rare than folks think. And yes, greco specialists have almost always had better gutwrenches. But they can’t defend a lace to save their life in the same vein. So tomato, tomahto, it’s a wash and best to appreciate each style. No matter what at least we can all agree that anything better than ball grabs and clinches, right? i do not disagree with this in principle... but... you can end a match in any style with par terre and it is practically ignored in free... par terre is hard to get good at it because it is not fun to practice... the fact of the matter is that most free guys would get their ribs injured in gut practice because they have not conditioned their bodies to practice it past an after thought... that is shameful in my mind... my older son has scars on his arms from practicing gut wrenches on a body bone... this christmas break he injured a friends rib who is a well known college wrestler and a former greco age level world team member on just one gut go and he was nursing an injured back and did not go close to 100%... ignoring it is a self fulfilling prophecy... the best wrestler hands down on this planet does not ignore it... others should take a lesson... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formally140 Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 2 hours ago, LJB said: i do not disagree with this in principle... but... you can end a match in any style with par terre and it is practically ignored in free... par terre is hard to get good at it because it is not fun to practice... the fact of the matter is that most free guys would get their ribs injured in gut practice because they have not conditioned their bodies to practice it past an after thought... that is shameful in my mind... my older son has scars on his arms from practicing gut wrenches on a body bone... this christmas break he injured a friends rib who is a well known college wrestler and a former greco age level world team member on just one gut go and he was nursing an injured back and did not go close to 100%... ignoring it is a self fulfilling prophecy... the best wrestler hands down on this planet does not ignore it... others should take a lesson... A few of my kids in the spring asked me. “Coach why are you telling us to warm up our ribs with our partners?” No one asked or questioned after 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJB Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 Just now, Formally140 said: A few of my kids in the spring asked me. “Coach why are you telling us to warm up our ribs with our partners?” No one asked or questioned after it is shameful that any coach or athlete ignores anything that can end a match in one go... and don't get me started on par terre defense... absolutely shameful... this is not rocket science... even most of the anonymous posters on this BBS could probably pick up the basics after a couple of years... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnwtwg Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 1 hour ago, LJB said: it is shameful that any coach or athlete ignores anything that can end a match in one go... and don't get me started on par terre defense... absolutely shameful... this is not rocket science... even most of the anonymous posters on this BBS could probably pick up the basics after a couple of years... *every national coach should teach how to defend laces in freestyle and guts in greco* Easy enough. USAW Coach of the Year incoming for ol’ BNWTWG. Suck it chumps. i am an idiot on the internet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJB Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 5 minutes ago, bnwtwg said: *every national coach should teach how to defend laces in freestyle and guts in greco* Easy enough. USAW Coach of the Year incoming for ol’ BNWTWG. Suck it chumps. you make jokes... but... many of them do not not even display the basics... every time i watch a domestic senior tourney i am horrified... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joust Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 9 hours ago, LJB said: Adorable… nothing negative was said about Gilman… the sad fact that the women’s style guys ignore par terre? absolutely… but again… Anonymous internet nobodies get so salty and look for perceived slights everywhere they can find them… it’s an interesting way to live their lives… "nah... just another anonymous internet nobody talking shit about an olympic gold medal... or any international medal..." "know that those world silver medals also came with a suitcase..." You really are a thick one eh triple dots. Taking full advantage of the public figure buffoonery clause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threadkilla Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 50 minutes ago, Joust said: "nah... just another anonymous internet nobody talking shit about an olympic gold medal... or any international medal..." "know that those world silver medals also came with a suitcase..." You really are a thick one eh triple dots. Taking full advantage of the public figure buffoonery clause. Hey tread softly bud this is essentially a LJBGR+ thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJB Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 5 hours ago, Threadkilla said: Hey tread softly bud this is essentially a LJBGR+ thread. don't worry about that anonymous internet nobody... i have been dealing with that same guy since dial up... always the same scared person just looking feel like somebody else at least once in their life... i deal with cowards in real life as well... lots of big talk until it comes down to the nut cutting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 (edited) 16 hours ago, LJB said: Adorable… nothing negative was said about Gilman… You said he “literally ran away” from your son…that’s not negative? You must have a weird definition of “negative,” like when you were talking negatively about Lee’s world medal but claimed you weren’t… Edited June 5, 2023 by 1032004 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJB Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 10 minutes ago, 1032004 said: You said he “literally ran away” from your son…that’s not negative? You must have a weird definition of “negative,” like when you were talking negatively about Lee’s world medal but claimed you weren’t… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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