TitleIX is ripe for reform Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 (edited) And the U. of Oklahoma's new head coach is: Roger Kish. Can he, the Sooners and Mizzou help inspire the Southeastern Athletic Conference (S.E.C.) to reinstate wrestling as an officially sanctioned sport in that conference? Stay tuned. The S.E.C. used to be a strong wrestling conference as recently as the 1980s... https://nwcaonline.com/news/2023/5/2/national-wrestling-coaches-association-oklahoma-names-roger-kish-head-wrestling-coach.aspx Edited May 3, 2023 by TitleIX is ripe for reform Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitleIX is ripe for reform Posted May 3, 2023 Author Share Posted May 3, 2023 For more on S.E.C. wrestling history: http://johnnythompsonnum1.blogspot.com/2017/09/solving-mystery-that-was-sec.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerDurden Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 No. /thread 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 7 minutes ago, TitleIX is ripe for reform said: And the U. of Oklahoma's new head coach is: Roger Kish. Can he, the Sooners and Mizzou help inspire the Southeastern Athletic Conference (S.E.C.) to reinstate wrestling as an officially sanctioned sport in that conference? Stay tuned. The S.E.C. used to be a strong wrestling conference as recently as the 1980s... https://nwcaonline.com/news/2023/5/2/national-wrestling-coaches-association-oklahoma-names-roger-kish-head-wrestling-coach.aspx No 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitleIX is ripe for reform Posted May 3, 2023 Author Share Posted May 3, 2023 (edited) Admittedly the S.E.C. requires member schools to have a quantity of teams that happens to be lower than quantities required by the Big 10, etc. Perhaps they'll add women's wrestling in the S.E.C. though, so they can continue to be a football powerhouse conference even as Title IX: Proportionality remains a (declining?) factor. Having successful wrestling programs such as Mizzou and the Sooners could help the process along in the S.E.C. We can be the change that we want to see... Edited May 3, 2023 by TitleIX is ripe for reform Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 1 minute ago, TitleIX is ripe for reform said: Admittedly the S.E.C. requires member schools to have a quantity of teams that happens to be lower than quantities required by the Big 10, etc. Perhaps they'll add women's wrestling though, so they can continue to be a football powerhouse conference. Having successful programs such as Mizzou and the Sooners could help the process along. No 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manatree Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 UCLA and SoCal inspiring the BigTen to add water polo is a much safer bet. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingcement Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 11 minutes ago, ionel said: No I'm not really clued in but it sounds like you're saying SEC is done with all forms of wrestling for the rest of eternity. Which sounds quite possible even if unfortunate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 1 minute ago, flyingcement said: I'm not really clued in but it sounds like you're saying SEC is done with all forms of wrestling for the rest of eternity. Which sounds quite possible even if unfortunate Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingcement Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 1 minute ago, ionel said: Yes Even if the concept of gender gets nullified by the Supreme Court, and Title IX becomes obsolete, it will just be viewed as a non revenue sport that doesn't have as deep a history in the region Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 (edited) Mizzu finally got back in the B12 and they've got a pretty good program. Does anyone really think they want to join OU in an SEC conference that'll never happen. Do we think Kish was lured to OU with promises of being the top dog in the new SEC conference of 2 men's and 10 women's teams? ;_; Edited May 3, 2023 by ionel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitleIX is ripe for reform Posted May 3, 2023 Author Share Posted May 3, 2023 24 minutes ago, ionel said: >>>Mizzu finally got back in the B12 and they've got a pretty good program. <<< Mizzou's presence in the SEC could be pivotal if another pair of schools adds wrestling (including newcomers). https://www.secsports.com/school/missouri-tigers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 10 minutes ago, TitleIX is ripe for reform said: Mizzou's presence in the SEC could be pivotal if another pair of schools adds wrestling (including newcomers). https://www.secsports.com/school/missouri-tigers No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCMO2 Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 46 minutes ago, ionel said: Mizzu finally got back in the B12 and they've got a pretty good program. Does anyone really think they want to join OU in an SEC conference that'll never happen. Do we think Kish was lured to OU with promises of being the top dog in the new SEC conference of 2 men's and 10 women's teams? ;_; That brings up an interesting question. Not sure if this has already been addressed, but will OU be allowed to stay in the Big 12 for wrestling? Mizzou wanted to stay, but the conference was all butthurt that they left and refused to let them. It took them 10 years to come to their senses and let them return. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnwtwg Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 More like OU is tanking the program to drop it as they join the SEC. Ask Duckworth. 1 i am an idiot on the internet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 11 minutes ago, KCMO2 said: That brings up an interesting question. Not sure if this has already been addressed, but will OU be allowed to stay in the Big 12 for wrestling? Mizzou wanted to stay, but the conference was all butthurt that they left and refused to let them. It took them 10 years to come to their senses and let them return. I dont think anyone yet knows if that's been sorted out or yet approved. Pretty sure OU has to go thru a process to request being in the B12 for wrestling. I'd expect that will be a little easier more formal now that Mizzu was accepted. I'm not sure "butt hurt" is the right term, it was a kindve a first time for that situation so even though wrestling coaches wanted them to stay bit of a different story for the high level money folks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mspart Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 17 hours ago, bnwtwg said: More like OU is tanking the program to drop it as they join the SEC. Ask Duckworth. This would be very sad indeed. mspart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 7 minutes ago, mspart said: This would be very sad indeed. mspart Think they would have done that after the first couple turned it down. They have to give Kish at least 3 to 5 years now but this could be the last hope for the program given the whole SEC thing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitleIX is ripe for reform Posted May 4, 2023 Author Share Posted May 4, 2023 7 hours ago, ionel said: Think they would have done that after the first couple turned it down. They have to give Kish at least 3 to 5 years now but this could be the last hope for the program given the whole SEC thing. What do you think the Sooner wrestling program will have to accomplish in order to continue being a funded NCAA D1 program at the U. of Oklahoma, 5 or 10 years from now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 18 minutes ago, TitleIX is ripe for reform said: What do you think the Sooner wrestling program will have to accomplish in order to continue being a funded NCAA D1 program at the U. of Oklahoma, 5 or 10 years from now? Top 3 in B12 and top 15 D1, maybe finish top 10 once in next 5 to 7 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitleIX is ripe for reform Posted May 4, 2023 Author Share Posted May 4, 2023 1 hour ago, ionel said: Top 3 in B12 and top 15 D1, maybe finish top 10 once in next 5 to 7 years. ¿Can that be done? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RYou Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 Let's see how many NDSU wrestlers enter the portal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 8 hours ago, TitleIX is ripe for reform said: ¿Can that be done? Yeah, I dont know, but thats my guess of what they'd want at least. They might keep the program with less than that but if they do well in the SEC in football, basketball, baseball, softball etc then why would you keep a bottom feeder program thats not even in the conference. Even though gymnastics is successful, are the any SEC programs and at some point why? Wouldn't one think that the AD relayed expectations to Kish and vice versa? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitleIX is ripe for reform Posted May 5, 2023 Author Share Posted May 5, 2023 11 hours ago, ionel said: >>>why would you keep a bottom feeder program thats not even in the conference.<<< The Sooners won 7 NCAA D1 men's wrestling championships, as recently as the 1970s: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Division_I_Wrestling_Championships Maybe no A.D. and alumni association would want to shed a program with such a noticeable tradition of excellence, albeit from yesteryear? Besides, maybe the Bedlam competitions with Oklahoma State require that a certain minimum quantity of teams participate... Didn't the Sooners nearly defeat Oklahoma State this past season in wrestling at the first Bedlam? I just checked and it was close: https://soonersports.com/sports/wrestling/schedule On the flipside though, universities have fiscal challenges unlike ever before... This is becoming increasingly impactful for everyone: http://www.USDebtClock.org Hopefully the Sooners will do well with their new coaching staff, then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Luchador Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 13 hours ago, RYou said: Let's see how many NDSU wrestlers enter the portal. From what I've heard about Kish, they're more likely to stay now that he's gone. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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