PortaJohn Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 17 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said: 80" would be extremely long. I just looked at some pictures, and his arms do look on the longer side. Always thought his deadlift strength came from his hamstrings and back. Which are stout. But I'm not a deadlift expert I Don't Agree With What I Posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interviewed_at_Weehawken Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, PortaJohn said: Always thought his deadlift strength came from his hamstrings and back. Which are stout. But I'm not a deadlift expert Long arms mean that you don't have to lift the weight as far off the ground, generally making a lift "easier" due to the decreased ROM. (all other things being equal). Edited May 2, 2023 by Interviewed_at_Weehawken 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 1 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlacknGold Posted May 2, 2023 Author Share Posted May 2, 2023 46 minutes ago, nhs67 said: My takes on your OP in BOLD UNDERLINE. My opinion is that their peak performance team would be Brands dropping to 157 and Arnold at 174. Chittum just has not impressed in a couple of years. He reminds me of a smaller version of Taylor Massa. He dominated so easily for so long until he got big and ran in to some other strong kids who also were good. I am okay being wrong. I do think that the better Iowa is, the better the state of wrestling in the USofA. Arnold can go either weight, better at 174 though. Not worried about Chittum. Only hole is 197, if at all. Ferrari can go 197 if he gets back in ncaa. I'm not convinced he is a true heavyweight and got too big for 197, but obviously there are more complicating issues here than his weight... Furthermore, I wouldn't be surprised to see some of these guys redshirt for seniors like Teske/Assad, but would you see this at PSU? Just asking. Seems like over there it's best man up, regardless of anything else, so maybe Iowa needs to implement a similar attitude. If Teske/Assad win their weight class that's great but nothing should be handed to them 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 9 minutes ago, BlacknGold said: Just asking. Seems like over there it's best man up, regardless of anything else, so maybe Iowa needs to implement a similar attitude. There is reason for this. The best man up is a national title contender, that is why. At Iowa? Neither of the weights you mentioned have high contender probabilities. R12 aspirations instead of R16 aspirations would not be a reason. You bet your ass, though, that if Franklin were to cement himself as the starter and Focus was able to transfer in 2nd semester that Focus would then get the nod. That is a mighty hypocritical philosophical take. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 37 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said: Long arms mean that you don't have to lift the weight as far off the ground, generally making a lift "easier" due to the decreased ROM. (all other things being equal). Is that why Sean Sherk could only dead lift 135lbs RAW? "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 1 hour ago, PortaJohn said: AJ "claims" he's 6 feet (but is somehow shorter than Gable Steveson) and has an 80 inch wingspan. GSP is 5'10" with a 78" wingspan. It is a reason he was uber successful. Jon Jones is 6'4" with a 84" wingspan. 1 hour ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said: 80" would be extremely long. I just looked at some pictures, and his arms do look on the longer side. He is no Sean Sherk, fosho. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 42 minutes ago, PortaJohn said: Always thought his deadlift strength came from his hamstrings and back. Which are stout. But I'm not a deadlift expert Valid. Still awaiting your proof by example, btw. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 1 hour ago, PortaJohn said: Always thought his deadlift strength came from his hamstrings and back. Which are stout. But I'm not a deadlift expert More of a deaddump type of guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortaJohn Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 11 minutes ago, ionel said: More of a deaddump type of guy? I get livedumps 1 I Don't Agree With What I Posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortaJohn Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 1 hour ago, nhs67 said: Valid. Still awaiting your proof by example, btw. Going to finish this discussion with my one no proof provided Cinnabon gift card. 1 I Don't Agree With What I Posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHROMEBIRD Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 14 hours ago, BlacknGold said: Early prediction: Kale Peterson and Gabe Arnold make the lineup. Arnold goes 174/184, Nelson Brands/Abe Assad take remaining weight class. AJ Ferrari gets 2nd chance. 125- Drake Ayala (RSSO) 133- Kale Peterson (FR)/ Brody Teske (SR) 141- Real Woods (SR) 149- Coby Siebrecht (JR)/ Caleb Rathjen (SO) 157- Cody Chittum (FR) 165- Pat Kennedy (SO) 174- Nelson Brands (SR) 184- Gabe Arnold (FR)/ Abe Assad (SR) 197- AJ Ferrari* (SO)/ Zach Glazier (JR)/ Kolby Franklin (RSFR) 285- Anthony Cassioppi (SR) Looks good. I'm high on the lightweights and think Woods will win a title, Ayala will be an upper AA, and Teskee AA, despite the doubters. Siebrecht will be much more effective back at 149 and can AA. Arnold should RS or go 174. Tough squad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 37 minutes ago, PortaJohn said: Going to finish this discussion with my one no proof provided Cinnabon gift card. Shit. I concede. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortaJohn Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 1 minute ago, nhs67 said: Shit. I concede. Can I make it up by starting a Spencer Lee thread on the college forum about his performance at the US Open and on his future in International wrestling? I Don't Agree With What I Posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, CHROMEBIRD said: Looks good. I'm high on the lightweights and think Woods will win a title, Ayala will be an upper AA, and Teskee AA, despite the doubters. Siebrecht will be much more effective back at 149 and can AA. Arnold should RS or go 174. Tough squad. I think Ayala could win it all, honestly. I think Arnold absolutely could contend for AA at 174, but peak is in the 5-8 range, depending on draw (and injuries I suppose). He could also go 0-2. At 184 I just don't think he is grown enough for it, yet. Teske could AA and I wouldn't be surprised. It would be very draw dependent, though. There are a lot of solid guys coming back next year. Edited May 2, 2023 by nhs67 1 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 Just now, PortaJohn said: Can I make it up by starting a Spencer Lee thread on the college forum about his performance at the US Open and on his future in International wrestling? I think it is a requirement at this point. Please do. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHROMEBIRD Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 Agreed. I'm also willing to concede that Ayala could be a national champion or R12 guy because there are yet unknowns about his injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 3 minutes ago, CHROMEBIRD said: Agreed. I'm also willing to concede that Ayala could be a national champion 4 minutes ago, CHROMEBIRD said: or R12 guy because there are yet unknowns about his injury. 2 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 1 hour ago, ionel said: More of a deaddump type of guy? 51 minutes ago, PortaJohn said: I get livedumps I give massive dumps the day after meatloaf night. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortaJohn Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 2 minutes ago, nhs67 said: I give massive dumps the day after meatloaf night. DUMP MEATLOAF In bowl add: 2 lbs. ground beef 1 1/4 cups seasoned bread crumbs 2 eggs 1 tbsp onion powder 1 tbsp garlic powder Salt, pepper to taste 1/2 can of Hunt’s Meatloaf Sauce Mix all ingredients in bowl and mold into rectangle. Cook for one hour in oven at 400° . Remove from oven and remove all grease. Pour remaining sauce on top and put back in oven for 10 minutes. Remove, slice, and serve. 1 I Don't Agree With What I Posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gus Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 (edited) 20 minutes ago, nhs67 said: I think Ayala could win it all, honestly. I think Arnold absolutely could contend for AA at 174, but peak is in the 5-8 range, depending on draw (and injuries I suppose). He could also go 0-2. At 184 I just don't think he is grown enough for it, yet. Teske could AA and I wouldn't be surprised. It would be very draw dependent, though. There are a lot of solid guys coming back next year. I think Arnold's build is suited best at 174. He is pretty short and stocky, built like a tank. He has a skill set to beat everyone at 174 not named Starocci right out of the gate in my opinion. Edited May 2, 2023 by Gus misspell 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idaho Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 3 hours ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said: Long arms mean that you don't have to lift the weight as far off the ground, generally making a lift "easier" due to the decreased ROM. (all other things being equal). 1 Sponsored by INTERMAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 3 hours ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said: Long arms mean that you don't have to lift the weight as far off the ground, generally making a lift "easier" due to the decreased ROM. (all other things being equal). Short legs ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interviewed_at_Weehawken Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 (edited) 17 minutes ago, ionel said: Short legs ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ That can help too Edited May 2, 2023 by Interviewed_at_Weehawken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlacknGold Posted May 2, 2023 Author Share Posted May 2, 2023 49 minutes ago, Gus said: I think Arnold's build is suited best at 174. He is pretty short and stocky, built like a tank. He has a skill set to beat everyone at 174 not named Starocci right out of the gate in my opinion. Agree, don't see any reason for him to redshirt unless it's to be a nice teammate to a senior Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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