Wrestleknownothing Posted April 25, 2023 Author Share Posted April 25, 2023 10 minutes ago, 98lberEating2Lunches said: Thanks. And now if you eliminate some the double counting of rows in normalized spreadsheet how much more of a gap between low and high happens for Nolf, Nickal, and Retherford. And how much would Spencer improve? Lowest number being better, using that method, I am going to go Nolf, NIckal, Retherford, then TBD. I had a feeling Spencer would look better. Spencer Lee hopscotches Bo Nickal, but it gets more so for Jason Nolf. What would you eliminate? Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted April 25, 2023 Author Share Posted April 25, 2023 One other thing I failed to explain is the rank stats. These are the average wrestlestat ranks of the opponents that each wrestler pinfell, TF'ed, and MD'ed. A lower average value means that the wrestler beat tougher competition, in the sense that WrestleStat has/had the competition ranked higher. For example, Spencer Lee pinned guys with an average rank of 50 while Kyle Snyder was pinning lower ranked competition. The good news is that no one can argue with WrestleStat rankings. Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Stankowski Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 14 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said: Thank you. TFs? Were all the losses decisions? He lost 4-8 to St. John early in year , Lost 2-3 to St. John in NCAA I cant find his 3rd loss give me another minute, No TFS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
11986 Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Ivan Stankowski said: He lost 4-8 to St. John early in year , Lost 2-3 to St. John in NCAA I cant find his 3rd loss give me another minute, No TFS Mizzou kid? Lewis? vague recall.... Edited April 25, 2023 by 11986 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98lberEating2Lunches Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 9 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said: What would you eliminate? I would probably delete the % sum (% bonus of all matches), because it is derivative of prior rows. When weighting, I probably wouldn't weight Average Pin or TF time very much. Some of that may depend too much on the coaches strategy for what he wants the wrestler to work on, or the weakness of the particular opponents who were Pinfalled or TFed. I have to read the meaning of the Average win-type rank, because I'm not sure weather that was already covered. Without reading, I would probably delete them. I might also change tourney points to average tourney finish (so not to again value Pinfall & TF & MD). Then I would delete lowest Tournament finish, since it would already be covered in average tournament finish. If one DNQ or place, shove lowest round placement eliminated (12, 16, 33). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98lberEating2Lunches Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 16 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said: These are the average wrestlestat ranks of the opponents that each wrestler pinfell, TF'ed, and MD'ed. A lower average value means that the wrestler beat tougher competition, in the sense that WrestleStat has/had the competition ranked higher. See I didn't read this earlier. Maybe you addressed my question. Regardless, I probably wouldn't weight this as high. Styles not projections from algorithms make matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Stankowski Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 30 minutes ago, 11986 said: Mizzou kid? Lewis? vague recall.... Beat the Missouri kid twice in duels his 3rd loss had to come from a tournament can't find it yet 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle26 Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 7 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said: Bo Nickal is looking sheepishly at Jason Nolf wondering how his teammate has none. My biggest takeaway from all these stats is how on earth did Jason Nolf never win the Hodge Trophy?! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 4 hours ago, Ivan Stankowski said: Beat the Missouri kid twice in duels his 3rd loss had to come from a tournament Lost to Vollrath TB1 2-1 semi Scuffle. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted April 26, 2023 Author Share Posted April 26, 2023 @Ivan Stankowski Time for the Dieringer Addition Caveat: I am assuming all of Alex Dieringer's freshman year wins, pinfalls, and MD's were over D1 competition. That is not a good assumption. His sophomore through senior years he had 6 pinfalls, 1 TF, and 1 MD over non-D1 competition. I am not sure it would make a substantive difference though in the rate stats. It has the chance to change his win total, however. And since he leads by only one in that category, it could have an impact. Caveat 2: The Time and Rank stats above are for just his sophomore through senior seasons. And rankings: Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnwtwg Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 23 hours ago, jchapman said: Rumor was he didn't get accepted to Wisconsin. Can confirm. 1 i am an idiot on the internet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Stankowski Posted April 27, 2023 Share Posted April 27, 2023 17 hours ago, bnwtwg said: Can confirm. Interesting, Very Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pokemonster Posted April 27, 2023 Share Posted April 27, 2023 17 hours ago, bnwtwg said: Can confirm. Ouch..... Must've had some academic troubles then. Just some high level numbers, but here are the acceptance rates for some comparable programs as of 2021... Cornell - 14% Michigan - 21% Ohio State - 27% Penn State - 49% Wisconsin - 53% Iowa - 82% Iowa State - 86% Oklahoma State - 86% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D3 for LU Posted April 27, 2023 Share Posted April 27, 2023 22 minutes ago, pokemonster said: Ouch..... Must've had some academic troubles then. Just some high level numbers, but here are the acceptance rates for some comparable programs as of 2021... Cornell - 14% Michigan - 21% Ohio State - 27% Penn State - 49% Wisconsin - 53% Iowa - 82% Iowa State - 86% Oklahoma State - 86% Easy to be a Cowboy... Tough to be a Big Red bear... D3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted April 27, 2023 Author Share Posted April 27, 2023 37 minutes ago, pokemonster said: Ouch..... Must've had some academic troubles then. Just some high level numbers, but here are the acceptance rates for some comparable programs as of 2021... Cornell - 14% Michigan - 21% Ohio State - 27% Penn State - 49% Wisconsin - 53% Iowa - 82% Iowa State - 86% Oklahoma State - 86% So you're sayin' there is a 14% chance I don't get into Okie State? 2 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offthemat Posted April 27, 2023 Share Posted April 27, 2023 10 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said: So you're sayin' there is a 14% chance I don't get into Okie State? Animal husbandry? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted April 27, 2023 Share Posted April 27, 2023 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said: So you're sayin' there is a 14% chance I don't get into Okie State? Pretty sure there's actually no chance you are getting into Oklahoma State. I'll bet you two bottles of that most excellent bourbon you were drinking last weekend. There's a bit more to the story than simple acceptance rates. Looking at the numbers it shows what we'd expect - universities that we expect are better academically appear to be harder to get into. But it also indicates something else - universities that are in more populated states have larger application numbers and thus lower acceptance rates. The answer is probably some of both. If only we knew someone good with data, tables & graphs who could put these data on a state population/per capita basis. Edited April 27, 2023 by ionel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D3 for LU Posted April 27, 2023 Share Posted April 27, 2023 20 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said: So you're sayin' there is a 14% chance I don't get into Okie State? 9 minutes ago, Offthemat said: Animal husbandry? 14 % NOT to get accepted to OSU?!? Well... I was thinking along the lines of this guy... he got accepted! Or... perhaps, something like this fella here... He just made the Dean's list. D3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted April 27, 2023 Author Share Posted April 27, 2023 3 minutes ago, D3 for LU said: 14 % NOT to get accepted to OSU?!? Well... I was thinking along the lines of this guy... he got accepted! Or... perhaps, something like this fella here... He just made the Dean's list. D3 my people 1 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offthemat Posted April 27, 2023 Share Posted April 27, 2023 11 minutes ago, D3 for LU said: 14 % NOT to get accepted to OSU?!? Well... I was thinking along the lines of this guy... he got accepted! Or... perhaps, something like this fella here... He just made the Dean's list. D3 Hockey players? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandolphTJones Posted April 27, 2023 Share Posted April 27, 2023 Awesome breakdown, thanks for sharing this thread. Had no idea Snyder had 4 career losses. Thought it was like 2, but my brain doesn't feel like working at the moment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted April 27, 2023 Share Posted April 27, 2023 (edited) Related to above trying to find a photo of Wkn, think I've got his made up name but this pic doesn't tell us much. Edited April 27, 2023 by ionel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D3 for LU Posted April 27, 2023 Share Posted April 27, 2023 4 minutes ago, ionel said: Related to above trying to find a photo of Wkn, think I've got his made up name but this pic doesn't tell us much. Keep trying. D3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted April 27, 2023 Author Share Posted April 27, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, RandolphTJones said: Awesome breakdown, thanks for sharing this thread. Had no idea Snyder had 4 career losses. Thought it was like 2, but my brain doesn't feel like working at the moment. 5 losses Per WrestleStat Author's Note: I want to apologize for WresdtleStat. They have something called a FALL, but as any dipshiz can tell you that should be pinfall. Management regrets any inconvenience this may cause you. Edited April 27, 2023 by Wrestleknownothing 1 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted April 27, 2023 Author Share Posted April 27, 2023 7 minutes ago, ionel said: Related to above trying to find a photo of Wkn, think I've got his real name but this pic doesn't tell us much. Just imagine the most handsome man anyone has every seen. Then go more handsome still. Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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