MPhillips Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 1 minute ago, ionel said: In the new folk rules is a walk out worth more or less than a push out? Depends on the swagger... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, MPhillips said: Depends on the swagger... I think we should have 2pts for a push out and 1pt for a pull in. Think of how much more exciting than a leg lace with a quick series of push out & pull in moves for a tech. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 40 minutes ago, juniorvarsity said: thank you for the correction. i did not see anything dirty about how he wrestled. thats right. he is so large that he may be able to do that to senior level athletes, but he looked significantly better than everyone at u20s. difference in size seemed like a big deal in that match. He is a legit Top 10 talent RIGHT now. He doesn't actually need to wrestle dirty. He does, though. You do see it in the first half of their match. His demeanor says a lot. Love you Avatar. 1 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdhof Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 (edited) On 5/10/2023 at 10:17 AM, nhs67 said: Snyder lost to Coon his senior season. It showed that he wasn't a 'true' heavyweight. Feldman's problem, currently, is that he is a 'poofy' version of Frosh Snyder. He isn't going to be as quick and he likely isn't as strong as Snyder is (was). At best it is comparable. Add in that he isn't winning Olympic gold for 2024 and you can also surmise that he isn't as good. So he is a 'poofy' Snyder-lite. Snyder won 3 NCAAs at 285, so "he seemed to do alright." Now, Snyder could not compete on the Senior level at that 125kg. And I'm not comparing Feldman to Snyder, just saying that there are numerous examples of NCAA HWTs who are "not true HWTs." And in my post above I could have mentioned guys like Lou Banach rather than Wojo. Wojo weighed around 245, a decent sized HWT. But I saw him wrestle Chris Taylor and he looked tiny by comparison. Edited May 11, 2023 by bdhof Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 Just now, bdhof said: Snyder won 3 NCAAs at 285, so "he seemed to do alright." Now, Snyder could not compete on the Senior level at that 125kg. And I'm not comparing Feldman to Snyder, just saying that there are numerous examples of NCAA HWTs who are "not true HWTs." Saying that Snyder could not compete at 125 KG is not accurate. Zillmer competed for a medal and Gwiazdowski brought home a medal as well. He beat Gwiazdowski. The term 'true' heavyweight simply means that he was small for the weight and the other 'true' heavyweights are generally accepted as being 250+ or so. Maybe 240-250. The term gets thrown out there because it looked comical seeing him against the other larger heavies. Also, saying "he seemed to do alright" is just plain a slap in the face. Don't do that with the Captain. I'll slap the silly off yo face. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPhillips Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 2 minutes ago, nhs67 said: Also, saying "he seemed to do alright" is just plain a slap in the face. Don't do that with the Captain. bdhof is a known Buckeye fan. He loves Captain America. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 2 minutes ago, MPhillips said: bdhof is a known Buckeye fan. He loves Captain America. Doesn't matter. He disrespects my Captain again and he is going to catch these hands. 1 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortaJohn Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 4 minutes ago, nhs67 said: Doesn't matter. He disrespects my Captain again and he is going to catch these hands. Went to a wrestling forum and a boxing match broke out! 2 I Don't Agree With What I Posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdhof Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 Getting back to Feldman, I think he'll "do alright." I'm not predicting 3 NCAA titles, but I think he'll get on the podium multiple times and maybe compete for a title a time or 2. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdhof Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 1 hour ago, nhs67 said: Also, saying "he seemed to do alright" is just plain a slap in the face. Don't do that with the Captain. I'll slap the silly off yo face. And I'll slap yo right back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poorwrestler Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 This might be a question worth it’s own topic but open question for all… how would you rank Kueter, Feldman, Christian Carroll and Koy Hopke as prospects? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortaJohn Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, poorwrestler said: This might be a question worth it’s own topic but open question for all… how would you rank Kueter, Feldman, Christian Carroll and Koy Hopke as prospects? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk oof, maybe Feldman, Carroll, Hopke at this point but with Hopke having the highest possible ceiling. Kueter definitely #4. I don't think he wrestles and even if he manages to pull it off he'll fall behind with a full football season Edited May 11, 2023 by PortaJohn 1 I Don't Agree With What I Posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 11 minutes ago, poorwrestler said: This might be a question worth it’s own topic but open question for all… how would you rank Kueter, Feldman, Christian Carroll and Koy Hopke as prospects? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 minute ago, PortaJohn said: oof, maybe Feldman, Carroll, Hopke at this point but with Hopke having the highest ceiling. Kueter definitely #4. I don't think he wrestles and even if he manages to pull it off he'll fall behind with a full football season I think Hopke, Feldman, Carroll, Kueter. Hopke because I think by the time he steps on campus he will be able to beat the other three. I think Feldman ahead of Carroll because I think Feldman also will and would beat Carroll. Kueter at 4 for the same reasons. If Kueter were to take the wrestling only approach I have him at 1. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poorwrestler Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 I think Hopke, Feldman, Carroll, Kueter. Hopke because I think by the time he steps on campus he will be able to beat the other three. I think Feldman ahead of Carroll because I think Feldman also will and would beat Carroll. Kueter at 4 for the same reasons. If Kueter were to take the wrestling only approach I have him at 1.I agree with all of this. Kueter being #1 if only wrestling too. I think the margins between all 4 are small, however. Interestingly, I think all are pretty small weight wise for HWT’s. Success between the 4 may come down to who puts on the best weight and how quickly. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortaJohn Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 1 minute ago, nhs67 said: If Kueter were to take the wrestling only approach I have him at 1. I don't know about that. I'm a freestyle translates to folk (ever watch vito wrestle Fix/rby in free?) and the only match i know of with Kueter against any of the other 3 is when he got worked by Carroll 1 I Don't Agree With What I Posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, nhs67 said: Doesn't matter. He disrespects my Captain again and he is going to catch these hands. Hang on a sec. Wasn't this your quote on Snyder? On 5/10/2023 at 9:17 AM, nhs67 said: he wasn't ... 'true'.... I will be damned if I let you call my Captain untrue. Those hands got some homework to do. Editor's Note: Quote edited for length. Edited May 11, 2023 by Wrestleknownothing 2 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gus Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 5 minutes ago, PortaJohn said: I don't know about that. I'm a freestyle translates to folk (ever watch vito wrestle Fix/rby in free?) and the only match i know of with Kueter against any of the other 3 is when he got worked by Carroll Since then Kueter did go on to win a jr world title as a junior in HS joining only - Kyle Snyer, Aaron Brooks, Aaron Pico, Spencer Lee, Gable Steveson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortaJohn Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Gus said: Since then Kueter did go on to win a jr world title as a junior in HS joining only - Kyle Snyer, Aaron Brooks, Aaron Pico, Spencer Lee, Gable Steveson I'm not starting a debate against Kueter. He's a stud. But in the end I don't think he wrestles or if he does he falls behind. A full football season will keep him off the mat. Now, if Kueter wrestled full time my best prediction is I have no idea. The talent level between the four wrestlers mentioned is minuscule Edited May 11, 2023 by PortaJohn I Don't Agree With What I Posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 35 minutes ago, PortaJohn said: I'm not starting a debate against Kueter. He's a stud. But in the end I don't think he wrestles or if he does he falls behind. A full football season will keep him off the mat. Now, if Kueter wrestled full time my best prediction is I have no idea. The talent level between the four wrestlers mentioned is minuscule Ben Kueter thinks he wrestles. 1 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFosr1 Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 I think people have forgotten just how dominant Feldman was before he hurt his neck. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortaJohn Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said: Ben Kueter thinks he wrestles. I also had everything figured out senior year of high school & then reality showed up. Now I'm a know nothing kind of guy Edited May 11, 2023 by PortaJohn I Don't Agree With What I Posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 1 hour ago, Wrestleknownothing said: Hang on a sec. Wasn't this your quote on Snyder? I will be damned if I let you call my Captain untrue. Those hands got some homework to do. Editor's Note: Quote edited for length. I mine own defense, I said 'true' because his Freestyle weight was 97 KG and not 125 KG and he stayed very close to that. 1 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 1 hour ago, PortaJohn said: I ... senior year of high school ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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