ionel Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 1 minute ago, MPhillips said: And has been for years. You have friends?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortaJohn Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 7 minutes ago, Jamie_Taco said: You're right, the link isn't working now for some reason. Wrestling USA mag used Asics Boys teams (1986-today); prior to that, you will need to check Win's Dream Team which will go back to the 60s. This is the last piece of homework I am doing for you guys. https://www.teamusa.org/USA-Wrestling/Features/2010/July/15/1986-ASICS-BOYS-TEAM https://www.teamusa.org/USA-Wrestling/Features/2010/July/15/1987-ASICS-BOYS-TEAM https://www.teamusa.org/USA-Wrestling/Features/2010/July/15/1988-ASICS-BOYS-TEAM https://www.teamusa.org/USA-Wrestling/Features/2010/July/15/1989-ASICS-BOYS-TEAM https://www.teamusa.org/USA-Wrestling/Features/2010/July/15/1990-ASICS-BOYS-TEAM https://www.teamusa.org/USA-Wrestling/Features/2010/July/15/1991-ASICS-BOYS-TEAM https://www.teamusa.org/USA-Wrestling/Features/2010/July/15/1992-ASICS-BOYS-TEAM https://www.teamusa.org/USA-Wrestling/Features/2010/July/15/1993-ASICS-BOYS-TEAM https://www.teamusa.org/USA-Wrestling/Features/2010/July/15/1994-ASICS-BOYS-TEAM https://www.teamusa.org/USA-Wrestling/Features/2010/July/15/1995-ASICS-BOYS-TEAM https://www.teamusa.org/USA-Wrestling/Features/2010/July/15/1996-ASICS-BOYS-TEAM It's your homework when you're the one providing the info. Anyways thanks for the links 1 I Don't Agree With What I Posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPhillips Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, ionel said: You have friends?! None that speak to me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_Taco Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, PortaJohn said: It's your homework when you're the one providing the info. Anyways thanks for the links You're welcome. Are you now ready to admit that Gable and Iowa didn't stockpile the nation's top high school talent? Who's the one living with "fever pitch delusions" again? Edited April 23, 2023 by Jamie_Taco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPhillips Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 I'm just here to see if Royce was a top ranked recruit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_Taco Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, MPhillips said: I'm just here to see if Royce was a top ranked recruit. Again, he was not. Royce graduated in 1983 from Lisbon High School and didn't even make the OTHER ALL-AMERICA SELECTIONS let alone the DREAM TEAM. Pretty cool to see John Smith on there though! https://www.wrestlingusa.com/high-school/ewExternalFiles/1983 High School All-Americans.pdf Edited April 23, 2023 by Jamie_Taco 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_Taco Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 Also, I have to correct something from earlier. I said there were seven 4x Iowa champs prior to Royce's HS days, but I was mistaken about his graduating year. There would have only been five 4xers prior to 1983 (Bob Steenlage, Jeff Kerber, Scott Morningstar, Joe Gibbons, Greg Randall). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Jamie_Taco said: Again, he was not. Royce graduated in 1983 from Lisbon High School and didn't even make the OTHER ALL-AMERICA SELECTIONS let alone the DREAM TEAM. Pretty cool to see John Smith on there though! https://www.wrestlingusa.com/high-school/ewExternalFiles/1983 High School All-Americans.pdf Porta, you are supposed to be on odd hours, it's now even! Oh ... I should have mentioned I'm central time zone, sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Jamie_Taco said: Guess how many #1 recruiting classes Gable had during his Iowa career? Oh shoot, I will just tell you. One. He had one top recruiting class while coaching at Iowa, but you guys are right, they were stockpiling all the best recruits just like Cael LOL. 1 hour ago, ionel said: So who had all the #1 classes, can you list for us by year? Thanks. So you aren't going to tell us are you? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offthemat Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 25 minutes ago, ionel said: You have friends?! He’s one of Bob’s buds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_Taco Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, ionel said: Porta, you are supposed to be on odd hours, it's now even! Oh ... I should have mentioned I'm central time zone, sorry. Your computer might have the AIDS.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, Offthemat said: He’s one of Bob’s buds. I give that friendship 15 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPhillips Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 @ionelCBUS. Get On It. WRESTLING USA MAGAZINE OHIO HIGH SCHOOL All-AMERICAN HALL OF FAME 1999 – Tommy Rowlands (Columbus Bishop Ready) 1988 – Adam DiSabato (Columbus Bishop Ready) 1987 -- Ken Ramsey (Columbus Bishop Ready) 1985 -- Jeff “Bubba” Strauss (Lakewood St. Edward) 1985 -- Greg Goad (Oak Harbor) 1985 -- Tim Moxley (Barnesville) 1983 -- Eric Woodland (Columbus Bishop Ready) 1983 -- Jeff Jordan (St. Paris Graham) 1983 -- Joe Ghezzi (Columbus Bishop Watterson) 1983 -- Mike Davies (Chardon) 1982 -- Scott Duncan (Marion Pleasant) 1981 -- Jamey Kasser (Summit Station Licking Heights) * 1981 -- Paul Bartolone (Cleveland Cleveland St. Joseph) 1980 -- Dane Tussel (Macedonia Nordonia) 1979 -- Mark Zimmer (Columbus DeSales) 1979 -- Joe East (Columbus Grove City) 1977 -- Phil Anglim (Columbus Bishop Watterson) 1976 -- Mike DeAnna (Bay Village) *Too close not to count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 6 minutes ago, MPhillips said: @ionelCBUS. Get On It. WRESTLING USA MAGAZINE OHIO HIGH SCHOOL All-AMERICAN HALL OF FAME 1999 – Tommy Rowlands (Columbus Bishop Ready) 1988 – Adam DiSabato (Columbus Bishop Ready) 1987 -- Ken Ramsey (Columbus Bishop Ready) 1985 -- Jeff “Bubba” Strauss (Lakewood St. Edward) 1985 -- Greg Goad (Oak Harbor) 1985 -- Tim Moxley (Barnesville) 1983 -- Eric Woodland (Columbus Bishop Ready) 1983 -- Jeff Jordan (St. Paris Graham) 1983 -- Joe Ghezzi (Columbus Bishop Watterson) 1983 -- Mike Davies (Chardon) 1982 -- Scott Duncan (Marion Pleasant) 1981 -- Jamey Kasser (Summit Station Licking Heights) * 1981 -- Paul Bartolone (Cleveland Cleveland St. Joseph) 1980 -- Dane Tussel (Macedonia Nordonia) 1979 -- Mark Zimmer (Columbus DeSales) 1979 -- Joe East (Columbus Grove City) 1977 -- Phil Anglim (Columbus Bishop Watterson) 1976 -- Mike DeAnna (Bay Village) *Too close not to count. If those guys were all on one bus I would've expected that bus to finish first. BTW: was going to have tacos for lunch, got disgusted and having omelet instead. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortaJohn Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 22 minutes ago, Jamie_Taco said: You're welcome. Are you now ready to admit that Gable and Iowa didn't stockpile the nation's top high school talent? Who's the one living with "fever pitch delusions" again? No, because Gable did stockpile the nation's top high school recruits. I'll make my points in hoping we'll come to a general agreement but I highly doubt it. 1) In terms of Royce Alger not being a top ranked recruit it's a failure of the wrestling media at that time. It's unfair to cast total blame on wrestling media during that era due to them not having the resources that Flo, @Husker_Duetc benefit from in this modern era. By any metric, a 3x Iowa state champ and JR national title winner is a top 10 recruit. 2) You're conveniently omitting or do not know that for years Gable gave extra scholarships. Above the allotted amount allowed by the NCAA's which led to him eventually being sanctioned. To be fair, other Big 10 schools were also doing it but Iowa wrestling egregiously went over the allowed allotment which was proven in a report I will provide for you. Yes, Gable was stockpiling wrestlers. https://web3.ncaa.org/lsdbi/search/miCaseView/report?id=101820 I dont blame Gable for doing this but he was gaming the system. AND he stockpiled wrestlers 2 1 I Don't Agree With What I Posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPhillips Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 1 minute ago, ionel said: was going to have tacos for lunch, got disgusted and having omelet instead. It's hard to know what you're going to get with a taco... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Parrish Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 DNS works, I can ping the server, registration is paid through 2026. Feb 2023 was the last working snapshot. The site doesn't appear to have been updated since 2020. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 21 minutes ago, MPhillips said: It's hard to know what you're going to get with a taco... ... yes ... yes it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveira Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 So and so was top 10 because of the media’s failure is such a good argument. I guess it’s all subjective after all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortaJohn Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 4 minutes ago, Caveira said: So and so was top 10 because of the media’s failure is such a good argument. I guess it’s all subjective after all. No its not all subjective. Wrestling sports media today vs the 1980s has far greater tools to correctly rank HS wrestlers. What a far fetched concept 1 I Don't Agree With What I Posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_Taco Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 (edited) 39 minutes ago, PortaJohn said: No, because Gable did stockpile the nation's top high school recruits. I'll make my points in hoping we'll come to a general agreement but I highly doubt it. 1) In terms of Royce Alger not being a top ranked recruit it's a failure of the wrestling media at that time. It's unfair to cast total blame on wrestling media during that era due to them not having the resources that Flo, @Husker_Duetc benefit from in this modern era. By any metric, a 3x Iowa state champ and JR national title winner is a top 10 recruit. 2) You're conveniently omitting or do not know that for years Gable gave extra scholarships. Above the allotted amount allowed by the NCAA's which led to him eventually being sanctioned. To be fair, other Big 10 schools were also doing it but Iowa wrestling egregiously went over the allowed allotment which was proven in a report I will provide for you. Yes, Gable was stockpiling wrestlers. https://web3.ncaa.org/lsdbi/search/miCaseView/report?id=101820 I dont blame Gable for doing this but he was gaming the system. AND he stockpiled wrestlers LOL dude. Even with the facts presented, you just can't admit you're wrong. So Gable, without Flo and the internet, was somehow able to get all over the country and find the top guys that the media and other programs just didn't know about or didn't rank correctly? Is that really the argument you're trying to make here? Also, egregiously?! You realize it came out to like 1.25 extra scholarships per year from 1987-1990, right? “The powerhouse Iowa wrestling program reportedly was five scholarships over the limit during the period.” And since Gable only signed 11 top-ranked kids in those 15 years in question, I think it's pretty obvious those extra scholarships weren't being used to stockpile the nation's best HS recruits. Again, one person here is providing the facts. The other is providing their own personal opinions and hindsight. Edited April 23, 2023 by Jamie_Taco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPhillips Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 41 minutes ago, PortaJohn said: Yes, Gable was stockpiling 2 minutes ago, Jamie_Taco said: I think it's pretty obvious those extra scholarships were being used to stockpile the nation's best HS recruits. Aren't you two saying the same thing here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_Taco Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 Just now, MPhillips said: Aren't you two saying the same thing here? No, my comment had a typo that I already edited 30 seconds after I posted it lol: I think it's pretty obvious those extra scholarships weren't being used to stockpile the nation's best HS recruits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortaJohn Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 1 minute ago, MPhillips said: Aren't you two saying the same thing here? Taco had a Freudian slip but he edited 1 I Don't Agree With What I Posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveira Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 13 minutes ago, PortaJohn said: No its not all subjective. Wrestling sports media today vs the 1980s has far greater tools to correctly rank HS wrestlers. What a far fetched concept That argument simply means you can subjectively make up whatever you want and be right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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