Rokfin - Will we have to pay extra now to watch any actual wrestling?

[Husker_Du]

1 hour ago, Max86 said:

So Rofkin is basically for content that is not worthy of YouTube and it gives the fringe operator the chance to charge for his content if anyone is willing to pay. Is that it?

nailed it 

geesh. i've never seen anyone make in entrance in which they're so clearly oblivious in so many consecutive posts.

and you do it with so much surety. impressive. 

 

[Dark Energy]

4 minutes ago, Husker_Du said:

nailed it 

geesh. i've never seen anyone make in entrance in which they're so clearly oblivious in so many consecutive posts.

and you do it with so much surety. impressive. 

 

Perhaps Hammerlock has created yet another alias.  

@Husker_Du- can you see emails or IPs?  Or is that all @BobDole?

[Husker_Du]

8 hours ago, Crablegs said:

I’m just curious why there hasn’t been a “big creator” join yet.  If the platform is so clearly better, you’d think there has been enough time for one of them to come over.  My guess is that the platform is better for monetizing a small, fringe audience.  But, it will never work for mass appeal, so no one with a large audience will join.  But if you have a small, die hard fan base (like wrestling) you’ll be ok.
 

LOL on the crypto. Hope you’ve been cashing in your RAE and putting it in a savings account.  

you could be correct: perhaps rokfin will prove to be only 'better' for certain types of creators. idk. i'd be silly to be sure of anything as the platform is in its infancy. i know this much though - if you took the views one gets on YT and the compensation they get and compare it to rokfin for the same numbers....it's night and day.

i know what numbers i'm driving and i know what revenue comes with that. and i'm more than happy with it. and that's all that really matters. 

[Husker_Du]

1 minute ago, Dark Energy said:

Perhaps Hammerlock has created yet another alias.  

@Husker_Du- can you see emails or IPs?  Or is that all @BobDole?

i can see it.

call Hammerlock whatever you want (i have lol)

but the man is knowledgable and engaged and would never A) ask what content I produce or B) confuse Rokfin w/ Rudis

[Mike Parrish]

2 minutes ago, Husker_Du said:

i can see it.

call Hammerlock whatever you want (i have lol)

but the man is knowledgable and engaged and would never A) ask what content I produce or B) confuse Rokfin w/ Rudis

I, for one, welcome our new corn based overlords.

[1032004]

1 hour ago, Max86 said:

Can you pay Rofkin with Crypto? How about with a cryptocurrency I just invented this morning.

No, they only take USD from consumers.  But if you are a creator, you get paid in the cryptocurrency that was invented by the company’s founder (RAE).  Seems sketchy, but because it’s tied to the Rokfin platform I guess RAE actually does makes more sense than most other cryptocurrencies (which isn’t saying much of course).  I don’t see why they wouldn’t let people pay their membership with it though…

Edited November 13, 2022 by 1032004

[1032004]

24 minutes ago, Husker_Du said:

 

i know what numbers i'm driving and i know what revenue comes with that. and i'm more than happy with it. 

And yet it seems the creators that “roundly requested a PPV option” weren’t…

[Husker_Du]

i was happy w/ the numbers/revenue prior to the PPV thing.

and i was also one that endorsed it despite not using it (and not ever intending on using it). and now i'm even happier.

if you know the details, and experienced the compensation structure both before and after, you'd know why. 

but alas, you guys don't and didn't but are sure of your assessment. 

 

 

[flyingcement]

1 hour ago, Husker_Du said:

i was happy w/ the numbers/revenue prior to the PPV thing.

and i was also one that endorsed it despite not using it (and not ever intending on using it). and now i'm even happier.

if you know the details, and experienced the compensation structure both before and after, you'd know why. 

but alas, you guys don't and didn't but are sure of your assessment. 

 

 

As mentioned before, the issue being complained about is the PPV hiding behind a subscription wall for a sport that has struggled with relevance and viewership.  

For someone like yourself who is providing commentary on wrestling, it seems like a logical enough place to host your content.  No major beef with the business model on its own but it's when you layer it with live wrestling that it becomes cumbersome for consumers. 

Folks who are hosting PPV on Rokfin are not doing wrestling any favors.  But as I mentioned in my opening post, I don't know of another platform where one could sell direct PPV without any subscription fees included.  Rokfin themselves would be wise to be that platform to do provide that option.  Strategic miscalculations open up opportunities for others though- one of the beauties of capitalism.

[BerniePragle]

4 hours ago, GreatWhiteNorth said:

My opinion is that crypto currency is quite useful for parties who are willing to take significant risk in order to transfer money anonymously (aka criminals.) Another useful case would be those that want to take a percentage of that questionable money transacted in the form of fees in order to fill their own pockets (aka shady banker types.) The last group is the hype network who back it to get regular people in, so they can profit from valuation movement and/or fees that the regular people will be paying for (aka blood sucker brokers.)

It is interesting. But only of actual real value to criminals, shady banker types, and blood sucker brokers. Everybody else loses. P.T. Barnum probably would have loved it.

(This isn't to say that useful public non-centralized electronic currency isn't possible. It is. But what we have now isn't it and there are some enormous obstacles it would have to overcome to ever get there. The blockchain may even need to be reinvented by then if quantum computing matures and is able to hack it. It would likely look far different than it does now, but it is possible. So is nuclear fusion, which I find far more interesting.)

 

So...   Cryptocurrency : Fusion :: Current Cryptocurrency : Cold Fusion  ?

[GreatWhiteNorth]

3 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

A more complete statement is that no currency has intrinsic value. A currency is a collective fiction, but it works to the extent that it is a useful fiction. A dollar bill is worth a certain amount of a good or service because we all agree it is worth that. Our agreement is based on trust in a central body and its institutions. When the trust breaks down, the currency breaks down. See Venezuela, or any country that is losing a war.

Mostly agree - except maybe my $25 Gift Card at Target. It is intrinsically worth $25 worth of stuff. It's not a national currency, but it is still a form of currency.

3 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

The point of a crypto currency is that it does not rely on the trusted central body. It is still a collective fiction, but it does not require trust to work. 

Disagree. Crypto currency, being decentralized by design, doesn't rely on a trust of a central body. But it still requires a great deal of trust to work (just not on a central body - for better or worse.)

3 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

And the idea that a government could shut it down is not completely accurate. It is difficult to shut down crypto locally, but nearly impossible to do so globally. 

Sort of, kind of disagree. Very hard to do globally, but there is no global government, right? The idea that a (national) government could shut it down is quite doable for their country. The ability for a country to cut itself off from the internet is standard procedure now. I may be wrong, but in the context of this discussion, it would seem that a government shutting it down for their own country was implied.

3 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

And there is certainly an argument for them if you are in any jurisdiction that is subject to US sanctions. US sanctions are so effective because the dollar is the world's reserve currency. Losing access to the US banking and money transfer system can be devastating as a result. Unless there is an alternative.

Agree. The US sanctions countries that engage in criminal behavior (at least from the perspective of the US.) So - yes - crypto currency is useful for criminals. By far the most useful application of the technology is for criminal types to evade tracking and detection of their evil-doer-type transactions. That is the problem that crypto "solves." Other than that, it provides insignificant value to humanity in its present form. Some would consider it a net negative. (I'd put myself squarely in that camp.)

[GreatWhiteNorth]

12 minutes ago, BerniePragle said:

So...   Cryptocurrency : Fusion :: Current Cryptocurrency : Cold Fusion  ?

Good point. We haven't all given up on Cold Fusion yet either...

[BerniePragle]

On 11/11/2022 at 7:10 PM, Husker_Du said:

Rokfin = $100 yr. and one off PPV fees for certain events whose promoter decides to utilize that function

glad to clear that up for you.

 

Sorry.  I forget that no one anymore takes the time to actually read anything more than a few words and see some pictures.  I am not your target audience.  I am an anachronism.  You are doing what's correct for you and 95+% of your audience.

[1032004]

11 hours ago, Husker_Du said:

i was happy w/ the numbers/revenue prior to the PPV thing.

and i was also one that endorsed it despite not using it (and not ever intending on using it). and now i'm even happier.

if you know the details, and experienced the compensation structure both before and after, you'd know why. 

but alas, you guys don't and didn't but are sure of your assessment. 

 

 

You keep talking about the creators but they’re irrelevant to why @flyingcement started this thread: for the consumers.  In addition to the confusion about not being sure how many events will be PPV or not, even one $15 PPV annually would be a pretty steep price increase, being 15% of the cost of an annual subscription (higher than inflation even).   4 PPV’s in a year and you’re paying more than Flo.  

And with tweets like the below, a lawyer better than FloKaren could probably make an argument it was a bait and switch/false advertising, although I’m guessing there’s something in the T&C’s saying they can change the price at any time:

 

 

If you actually cared about the consumers and not just the creators, @nhs67’s idea of a higher subscribtion level that includes all PPV’s might not be a bad one.

[Max86]

12 hours ago, Husker_Du said:

i was happy w/ the numbers/revenue prior to the PPV thing.

and i was also one that endorsed it despite not using it (and not ever intending on using it). and now i'm even happier.

if you know the details, and experienced the compensation structure both before and after, you'd know why. 

but alas, you guys don't and didn't but are sure of your assessment. 

 

 

What if they put wrestling on a site that was mostly porn or mostly klan rallies. Would you endorse that, too? I am not saying Rofkin is equivalent. But, as we have seen with Twitter recently, a lot of creators are wary of the company they keep.

[nhs67]

Not really sure why the dark turn there.  Rather unnecessary.

[Max86]

13 hours ago, Husker_Du said:

nailed it 

geesh. i've never seen anyone make in entrance in which they're so clearly oblivious in so many consecutive posts.

and you do it with so much surety. impressive. 

 

it is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. That's you, dude.

[nhs67]

2 minutes ago, Max86 said:

it is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. That's you, dude.

You are choosing not to read a bit there, bud.

Willie doesn't have a horse in the PPV arms race.  He doesn't charge it.  Every content creator on Rokfin owns the power to do so.

[Max86]

2 minutes ago, nhs67 said:

You are choosing not to read a bit there, bud.

Willie doesn't have a horse in the PPV arms race.  He doesn't charge it.  Every content creator on Rokfin owns the power to do so.

I know he says he does not do PPV (and I believe him). But doesn't Rofkin pay their creators, with that payment financed by subscriptions? I think he gets part of that.

Edited November 13, 2022 by Max86

[Plasmodium]

TIL Bitcoin generates more CO2 than The Netherlands.

[Husker_Du]

4 hours ago, Max86 said:

it is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. That's you, dude.

i don't get a salary. and im not beholden to rokfin. i could choose another platform (or a site of my own) any time i want. 

[Mike Parrish]

28 minutes ago, Husker_Du said:

i don't get a salary. and im not beholden to rokfin. i could choose another platform (or a site of my own) any time i want. 

 

Getting a vibe here.

Edited November 13, 2022 by Mike Parrish

[Max86]

3 hours ago, Husker_Du said:

i don't get a salary. and im not beholden to rokfin. i could choose another platform (or a site of my own) any time i want. 

Are you saying that you (and other creators) don't get any part of the $100 subscription fee (not as a salary, but as compensation of some kind)?

If not-- and if you are not doing PPV-- I have no idea why you would use Rofkin instead of the far more popular YouTube.

 

[Wrestleknownothing]

19 hours ago, GreatWhiteNorth said:

Mostly agree - except maybe my $25 Gift Card at Target. It is intrinsically worth $25 worth of stuff. It's not a national currency, but it is still a form of currency.

Your Target gift card is not currency. It is like a deposit at a bank minus the FDIC insurance and any interest payments. And instead of withdrawing the cash that was deposited, you can withdraw goods. You also have credit exposure to Target. If they go bankrupt, you become an unsecured creditor.

[ionel]

8 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

Your Target gift card is not currency. It is like a deposit at a bank minus the FDIC insurance and any interest payments. And instead of withdrawing the cash that was deposited, you can withdraw goods. You also have credit exposure to Target. If they go bankrupt, you become an unsecured creditor.

What about a BOGO card for my favorite shoe shop, I mean sure I gotta find someone else with same size feet and similar taste but then I can double my money so its kind've like crypto without the massive Co2 issues.   ¯\_(ツ)_/¯