Dark Energy Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 2 min SV - if no score then coin flip for choice. Riding time is set to zero. Flip winner can pick top, bottom or defer for a 30 second period. Can person with first pick, pick neutral? (Going to assume no or at least it would be very rare) Riding time is tracked. After 30 seconds wrestler who hasn’t picked a position has choice. Can pick top, bottom OR NEUTRAL. If score tied at end of 2nd 30 seconds, whoever has more riding time wins the match. I have that right? Assuming so, I’ll make my point … They have wrestled 9 minutes before getting to the two 30 second periods. Still tied. To force a victor chance will come into play to tilt the field a bit. VERY similar to ultimate tie breaker ride out where a coin flip gives 1 choice to one wrestler and thus is advantaged. Back to current situation — Assuming wrestler A is forced to pick position first, wrestler B is now advantaged since has options after having more info coming out of first 30 second period. The coin flip has granted an advantage to one wrestler. I’m ok with this. The aspect of chance has simply been moved forward from where it was before - ultimate tiebreaker. I see people saying both wrestlers should need to pick only top or bottom. What if both ride the other for the full 30 seconds. Another OT period? Can happen today but giving that neutral choice is allowed it makes this way less likely as an outcome. Net Net, I’m good with today. I like the strategy aspect of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJB Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 criteria is far superior... gimmicks are just that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 (edited) There is no flip in OT. Whatever wrestler scores the first point gets choice - meaning top, bottom, or defer. If a guy gets over one minute of riding time, and keeps it, in regulation and if at the time he got the one minute it would have been the first point in the match then that counts as the first point as well. This actually happened at NCAAs. Edited March 22, 2023 by nhs67 1 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 In a way it encourages a wrestler to score first. 1 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHROMEBIRD Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 Unlimited SV until someone scores. Ref encourages action and does not hesitate to call stalling. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 1 minute ago, CHROMEBIRD said: Unlimited SV until someone scores. Ref encourages action and does not hesitate to call stalling. Matches should be unlimited, no stopping till someone is pinned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHROMEBIRD Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 Just now, ionel said: Matches should be unlimited, no stopping till someone is pinned. Sounds familiar... Did you ever compete shirtless in tights and a Black Tom? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 3 minutes ago, CHROMEBIRD said: Sounds familiar... Did you ever compete shirtless in tights and a Black Tom? I refuse to answer that question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocBB Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 What if score and RT are tied at the end of second 30 second? Doesn't regulation RT then determine it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crotalus Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Dark Energy said: Flip winner can pick top, bottom or defer for a 30 second period. Can person with first pick, pick neutral? (Going to assume no or at least it would be very rare) Haven't flipped through the rule book, but assume first choice could pick neutral if they want, but they wouldn't have the opportunity for an escape point, of course. So if they fail to hold their opponent down in the second 30 period, they would lose (barring they don't score after giving up the escape). The only reason to do it I can think of is if you really suck at bottom but are really good at top and are confident you wouldn't give up an escape after 8:30 of wrestling. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gimpeltf Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 Unlimited SV until someone scores. Ref encourages action and does not hesitate to call stalling.I have to bring this up regularly. They experimented with that about thirty years ago. First event, they had to bring one of the kids to the hospital.Sent from my Pixel 7 Pro using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHROMEBIRD Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 13 minutes ago, gimpeltf said: I have to bring this up regularly. They experimented with that about thirty years ago. First event, they had to bring one of the kids to the hospital. Sent from my Pixel 7 Pro using Tapatalk Seems that the problem would correct itself if refs were willing to call stalling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkemaz Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 2 hours ago, LJB said: criteria is far superior... gimmicks are just that... Yeah that's why they don't do OT in the NBA, NFL,NHL,MLB all the premiere sports just do criteria if there is a tie after 6 minutes. God I love good leg lace, roll him through three times that's pure excitement. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurk_Nowitzki Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 I understand the hesitation to do unlimited sv, but I think it could actually be pretty awesome if we made push outs a point if score was still tied after 1-2 extra minutes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Energy Posted March 23, 2023 Author Share Posted March 23, 2023 Ok. No coin flip if one wrestler scored first. Thanks @nhs67 Let’s assume wrestler with choice does does not defer. Can wrestler pick neutral for first 30 sec? @DocBB - good q. Don’t know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crotalus Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 9 hours ago, forkemaz said: Yeah that's why they don't do OT in the NBA, NFL,NHL,MLB all the premiere sports just do criteria if there is a tie after 6 minutes. God I love good leg lace, roll him through three times that's pure excitement. He doesn't like any version of wrestling where you can touch your opponent's legs. He prefers when they play patty cake for 6 mins. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interviewed_at_Weehawken Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 12 hours ago, CHROMEBIRD said: Unlimited SV until someone scores. Ref encourages action and does not hesitate to call stalling. This sounds great until a ref actually makes a stalling call and everyone loses their minds. (PA state finals this year, ref aggressively called stalling, as prescribed by the rules, and people from around the country lost their minds and said that he should never ref again). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogbone Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 We had this debate a little pre NCAAs and it didn't seem right that 1 guy could choose neutral and win on the RT point, but I have changed my thoughts on it and am now fine with the rideout rule. Its not like these matches are 8-8 after 9 minutes since guys who put up 8 points typically don't go another 2 without a score. It's the 1-1, 2-2 matches that go to rideouts and at that point I am fine if you lose a coin flip or strategy battle. You had 9 minutes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJB Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 2 hours ago, Crotalus said: He doesn't like any version of wrestling where you can touch your opponent's legs. He prefers when they play patty cake for 6 mins. i like smoky old pool rooms... clear mountain mornings... Little warm puppies... children... girls of the night... and greco... i don' t like gimmicks... which is what i hear a lot of concerning "fixing" the horrible rule set that even the "fans" don't like, understand or agree on how to fix... but... please do continue... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scourge165 Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 8 minutes ago, LJB said: i like smoky old pool rooms... clear mountain mornings... Little warm puppies... children... girls of the night... and greco... i don' t like gimmicks... which is what i hear a lot of concerning "fixing" the horrible rule set that even the "fans" don't like, understand or agree on how to fix... but... please do continue... No need after this line. Dropped the cherry PERFECTLY on top... 2 hours ago, Crotalus said: He prefers when they play patty cake for 6 mins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJB Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, scourge165 said: No need after this line. Dropped the cherry PERFECTLY on top... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d3wrestle.com Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 A few OT/Tiebreaker clarifications 1. First choice goes to wrestler with first non-escape, non-penalty point. Disc is flipped if only escapes/penalties have been scored. RT point counts as a non-escape, non-penalty. 2. First choice can be top, bottom, neutral, or defer. Second choice can be top, bottom, or neutral. 3. If tied after the tiebreakers, riding time in OT is the deciding factor. 4. If riding time in OT is equal, they do a 1 minute SV period. 5. If still tied, another set of tiebreakers. Repeat 3-5 above until you get a winner. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJB Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 doesn't feel even a little bit gimmicky... not convoluted at all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scourge165 Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 1 minute ago, LJB said: doesn't feel even a little bit gimmicky... not convoluted at all... No...what should happen is the last guy who's foot stepped out of bounds to tie the match, he should just be declared the winner Yeah, yeah...Gif, rooting for you...rinse and repeat.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJB Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 1 minute ago, scourge165 said: No...what should happen is the last guy who's foot stepped out of bounds to tie the match, he should just be declared the winner Yeah, yeah...Gif, rooting for you...rinse and repeat.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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