Idaho Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 3 hours ago, ionel said: Parris is not a fast runner, thus Alirez wins! 4.76 40 in high school and the 67 yard touchdown run looks decent....Obviously bigger now, but I'm guessing he can hold his own. https://www.hudl.com/profile/4158110/Mason-Parris 1 Sponsored by INTERMAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribers Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 Criteria this year... 1. Yanni 2. see #1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHROMEBIRD Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 Alirez gets extra credit for his post match interview at NCAAs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogbone Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 First the Hodge gives out 2 trophys in the same year and now all 10 champs are finalist?!?! Hodge is getting softer. What's next, a non champ gets nominated? I mean Carr was 2-1 vs O'Toole, you could argue he a better year. ONLY KIDDING. (But I do think the 10 finalist is dumb). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 32 minutes ago, Idaho said: 4.76 40 in high school and the 67 yard touchdown run looks decent....Obviously bigger now, but I'm guessing he can hold his own. https://www.hudl.com/profile/4158110/Mason-Parris Yeah I prob picked the wrong HWT to say is slow. However, I'm still willing to make an avatar bet with Fly or any Spud poster that Alirez could beat him at 100 to 400 m right now, problem is no way to prove it. But if you or Fly are willing to take the bet and concede, I'm willing to find a good image. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 33 minutes ago, scribers said: Criteria this year... 1. Yanni 2. see #1 who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Energy Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 1 hour ago, scribers said: Criteria this year... 1. Yanni 2. see #1 Oof. You too with the bad spelling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingcement Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 "Hodge Finalists announced" The finalists: a list of all ten champions (lol) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idaho Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 If he wins.... 1 Sponsored by INTERMAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skandar Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 Past accomplishments is no longer a hodge criteria so that should eliminate Yianni. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHROMEBIRD Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 8 minutes ago, flyingcement said: "Hodge Finalists announced" The finalists: a list of all ten champions (lol) I don't understand why they did this. Isn't the finalist pool usually around 5 or so candidates? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 1 minute ago, CHROMEBIRD said: I don't understand why they did this. Isn't the finalist pool usually around 5 or so candidates? Maybe there will be 5 Hodge winners this year, we had 2 so ... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrestlingRasta Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 There were four world champs, a world silver, and a world bronze in the heavyweight bracket this year, all but one of them in the big ten. The way the ladder has rotated the previous three years under Gable, it’s very possible this bracket has three NCAA champs heading in…..if not for Gable. When it comes to comparing level of competition, give me a Junior world champ over NCAA any day of the week, and twice on wrestling days. Parris wrestled more matches than anyone else, in that weight, ran the gauntlet unscathed, and had more falls (always a big criteria) than anyone else. Beat more all Americans. Bonused more qualifiers and all Americans. At the weight with the deepest level of accomplishment. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sublime607 Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 In no way should fan vote be a factor for the Hodge. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headshuck Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 Agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 Fan vote is going to hurt Starocci. Two Penn State gents on the docket. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle26 Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 I agree with others that it is really dumb that all 10 champs are “finalists”. They never had more than a few before. I doubt that the fan vote has much of an impact, but just another factor for the committee to look at. I will say I thought it was clearly a two horse race between Yianni and Parris, but I would have guessed Parris to have the highest bonus percentage. Alirez and AOC make it a little more up in the air since they are higher bonus %. Still, Parris leads with pins and tougher competition IMO so I’d still put it between him and Yianni. I never liked the idea of them giving it to someone with a loss so my vote is Parris. Certainly, everyone with a loss who is not a 4x national champ should be eliminated as a “finalist”. Just depends how heavy they weigh 4x national champ (that’s kinda a big deal), so I won’t be disappointed if they give it to Yianni. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHROMEBIRD Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 The thing that kills me is how they keep calling it the Hodge Award criteria when they are actually just loose guidelines. The voters haven't strictly followed the criteria for years, they're more like suggestions. If the award was actually based on a series of defined criteria and metrics then Hodge winners could be easily determined by an algorithm (not that I want to go there) rather than the subjective whims of the voters. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 1 hour ago, WrestlingRasta said: There were four world champs, a world silver, and a world bronze in the heavyweight bracket this year, all but one of them in the big ten. The way the ladder has rotated the previous three years under Gable, it’s very possible this bracket has three NCAA champs heading in…..if not for Gable. When it comes to comparing level of competition, give me a Junior world champ over NCAA any day of the week, and twice on wrestling days. Parris wrestled more matches than anyone else, in that weight, ran the gauntlet unscathed, and had more falls (always a big criteria) than anyone else. Beat more all Americans. Bonused more qualifiers and all Americans. At the weight with the deepest level of accomplishment. Pinfalls used to be a big criteria, but are no longer. Gable Steveson won last year with one. Now the focus is on bonus percentage. 1 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RYou Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 I think what you are seeing here is some, I'll call it favoritism for lack of a better term, to include Yanni because of his 4th title. But, he's got a loss which would ordinarily discount the wrestler if there are undefeated competitors in the mix. Well, if you include Yanni despite his loss, then you have to include others with a loss, i.e., O'Toole, Brooks, etc. Ultimately, that shakes out to include all of the 2023. champs. That kinda spins the criteria a bit from a performance for the year to one that includes career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatWhiteNorth Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 29 minutes ago, CHROMEBIRD said: The thing that kills me is how they keep calling it the Hodge Award criteria when they are actually just loose guidelines. The voters haven't strictly followed the criteria for years, they're more like suggestions. If the award was actually based on a series of defined criteria and metrics then Hodge winners could be easily determined by an algorithm (not that I want to go there) rather than the subjective whims of the voters. I've been posting about this for many years now. I agree that it's unnecessarily confusing. The definition of the word "criteria" does not strictly require a step by step set of metrics for making a decision. That's not what the word means. The word "criteria" is used to refer to a logical set of steps for deciding things like tiebreakers in wrestling, that is true (and I suspect in other applications.) But that is happenstance for those usage cases. It isn't required for the word to be used. Every year, I suggest replacing the word "criteria" with something like "factors" or "considerations" and we can avoid much of the confusion that the Hodge creates. (And, also, eliminate numbering the factors - that implies strict order, which isn't actually required, at all.) If it were actually "criteria" as we use for tiebreakers in wresting, then Parris wins by criteria #1 - game over. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headshuck Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 The Hodge was an annual dominance award. Emphasis on pinning. It was a unique award. Now it’s watered down into a MVP/fan favorite award. I thought ESPN/NCAA was sponsoring that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Bryant Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 Here's how I came to my conclusion. I didn't include the raw numbers because, well, it's not as pretty. 1 Insert catchy tagline here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHROMEBIRD Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 8 minutes ago, GreatWhiteNorth said: I've been posting about this for many years now. I agree that it's unnecessarily confusing. The definition of the word "criteria" does not strictly require a step by step set of metrics for making a decision. That's not what the word means. The word "criteria" is used to refer to a logical set of steps for deciding things like tiebreakers in wrestling, that is true (and I suspect in other applications.) But that is happenstance for those usage cases. It isn't required for the word to be used. Every year, I suggest replacing the word "criteria" with something like "factors" or "considerations" and we can avoid much of the confusion that the Hodge creates. (And, also, eliminate numbering the factors - that implies strict order, which isn't actually required, at all.) If it were actually "criteria" as we use for tiebreakers in wresting, then Parris wins by criteria #1 - game over. Exactly, they're considerations and not defined criteria. If that's the way the voters like it, that's fine. Just stop calling it "criteria" and making it sound like an objective, quantitatively earned award and not a popularity contest. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headshuck Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 If nobody finishes undefeated with at least a dozen pins, they should award no one.I guarantee the following year guys will get after it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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