flyingcement Posted May 14, 2023 Share Posted May 14, 2023 4 hours ago, gimpeltf said: Mizzou- Conor Brown 133 transferred twice (SDSU, Wisc) I think he is finished with eligibility (I have Zeke Seltzer as starter next year). But otherwise good call out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gimpeltf Posted May 14, 2023 Share Posted May 14, 2023 1 hour ago, flyingcement said: I think he is finished with eligibility (I have Zeke Seltzer as starter next year). But otherwise good call out Didn't know which year you were discussing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antitroll2828 Posted May 14, 2023 Share Posted May 14, 2023 On 5/10/2023 at 10:21 PM, ionel said: Doesn't Alvarez only have 1 year of eligibility? On 5/10/2023 at 10:30 PM, nhs67 said: It would appear so. Each year he has represented Rutgers in a dual. He has 2 years left 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted May 14, 2023 Share Posted May 14, 2023 4 hours ago, Antitroll2828 said: He has 2 years left How? He has represented Rutgers in a dual four years. 2020 - 16 duals 2021 (free year) - 3 duals (late in the season too) 2022 - 8 duals 2023 - 8 duals How in the hell does he get six attached seasons? "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 1 hour ago, nhs67 said: How? He has represented Rutgers in a dual four years. 2020 - 16 duals 2021 (free year) - 3 duals (late in the season too) 2022 - 8 duals 2023 - 8 duals How in the hell does he get six attached seasons? Can he get a medical for 2022? Didn’t wrestle past 12/29 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Formally140 Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 38 minutes ago, flyingcement said: Not surprising. More interested in what madrigal does 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 10 hours ago, 1032004 said: Can he get a medical for 2022? Didn’t wrestle past 12/29 Even if he didn't wrestle past 12/29, he wrestled eight (8) duals - actually half their wins as a team. Rutgers went 16-5 as a team and in eight of those wins, Sammy Alvarez wrestled. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 9 hours ago, flyingcement said: Michigan needs a 149lber and Woodley (who I saw over the weekend did say he was 'done done' btw) was there last year. I bet he goes to Michigan. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 53 minutes ago, nhs67 said: Even if he didn't wrestle past 12/29, he wrestled eight (8) duals - actually half their wins as a team. Rutgers went 16-5 as a team and in eight of those wins, Sammy Alvarez wrestled. The rule is 30% right? If it’s “dates” and not competitions I think he qualifies. He only wrestled in 5 “dates” out of 19 (counting multi-day competitions like B10’s and NCAA’s as 1). But I think the bigger question that I don’t recall is was he actually injured or could he just not make weight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 Just now, 1032004 said: The rule is 30% right? If it’s “dates” and not competitions I think he qualifies. He only wrestled in 5 “dates” out of 19 (counting multi-day competitions like B10’s and NCAA’s as 1). But I think the bigger question that I don’t recall is was he actually injured or could he just not make weight? That is the rule now. Was that the rule then? Would they apply a 'now' rule to then? Aside for that, all fair points. It would be cool if he had two years left and at his proper weight, I just don't know that it seem fair. He wrestled for the team four years already and wasn't able to go further due to well known weight issues. I guess what I am saying is that I wouldn't be upset if they didn't grant him a 2nd year left. He's been wrestling. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 4 minutes ago, nhs67 said: That is the rule now. Was that the rule then? Would they apply a 'now' rule to then? Aside for that, all fair points. It would be cool if he had two years left and at his proper weight, I just don't know that it seem fair. He wrestled for the team four years already and wasn't able to go further due to well known weight issues. I guess what I am saying is that I wouldn't be upset if they didn't grant him a 2nd year left. He's been wrestling. I thought 30% is what it's been for a little while, but could be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 1 minute ago, 1032004 said: I thought 30% is what it's been for a little while, but could be wrong. You also could be correct. In my day there weren't all these exceptions, so to say. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 Also, as far as Michigan goes, there are a few 149lb options on the market right now. I just don't think they are going to go for a 'Jamison' type get because they have both Mantanona brothers, Adams, and Gilcher coming that should be the 149-165 gents for a few years. The younger Mantanona could be the 141lber, too. I could and would welcome being wrong, though. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indiana-Hawk-Wrestling-Fan Posted May 15, 2023 Author Share Posted May 15, 2023 On 5/10/2023 at 9:32 PM, flyingcement said: Good point and probably solved. Carter Young 141 in 2025 with Cael Hughes 133 I think Alveraz has 2 years left tho. So Someone will still be sitting out 2 years if Tegan goes there; but I still believe Tegan ends up there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 1 hour ago, Indiana-Hawk-Wrestling-Fan said: I think Alveraz has 2 years left tho. So Someone will still be sitting out 2 years if Tegan goes there; but I still believe Tegan ends up there. Where are you and @Antitroll2828 getting two years left, though? I am not disputing it, just curious since he competed for Rutgers for four seasons already. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corby Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 4 minutes ago, nhs67 said: Where are you and @Antitroll2828 getting two years left, though? I am not disputing it, just curious since he competed for Rutgers for four seasons already. With a RS and a Covid year guys will get 6 years to compete in 4. Sammy has done 4 years in college. He has 2 more years of eligibility Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gimpeltf Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 2 hours ago, 1032004 said: The rule is 30% right? If it’s “dates” and not competitions I think he qualifies. He only wrestled in 5 “dates” out of 19 (counting multi-day competitions like B10’s and NCAA’s as 1). But I think the bigger question that I don’t recall is was he actually injured or could he just not make weight? It's out of 16 actually but it still rounds up to 5 dates. Assuming the Matmen Open was counted as one date (and likely he only wrestled his 3 bouts in one day) he would be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 9 minutes ago, gimpeltf said: It's out of 16 actually but it still rounds up to 5 dates. Assuming the Matmen Open was counted as one date (and likely he only wrestled his 3 bouts in one day) he would be fine. Do B10's and NCAA's not count? And we must have a discrepancy of one other somewhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 58 minutes ago, Corby said: With a RS and a Covid year guys will get 6 years to compete in 4. Sammy has done 4 years in college. He has 2 more years of eligibility No, I understand all that. It still doesn't explain how he wrestled attached for four seasons and still has two to go. He started out the gate as a true frosh. He didn't redshirt at all, at least not properly. So the only way he could have two years remaining is if he got a medical redshirt approved. If he does, I get the two years remaining. When you factor in the 30% rule, 5/16 = 31.25% which is greater than 30% so that is where I am getting hung up there. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 41 minutes ago, gimpeltf said: It's out of 16 actually but it still rounds up to 5 dates. Assuming the Matmen Open was counted as one date (and likely he only wrestled his 3 bouts in one day) he would be fine. 5 ÷ 16 = 0.3125, though. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gimpeltf Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 33 minutes ago, 1032004 said: Do B10's and NCAA's not count? And we must have a discrepancy of one other somewhere No. It is 16 dates of allowed competition prior to conferences but it is 16+1 in the computation for hardship which rounds up to 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 42 minutes ago, gimpeltf said: No. It is 16 dates of allowed competition prior to conferences but it is 16+1 in the computation for hardship which rounds up to 6. I’m not sure I’m following, you’re saying in general teams are only allowed 16 dates of competition prior to conferences? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gimpeltf Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 41 minutes ago, 1032004 said: I’m not sure I’m following, you’re saying in general teams are only allowed 16 dates of competition prior to conferences? Yup. They are allowed to take a couple (I think 2) consecutive dates of competition and count them as one for this purpose. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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